‘Anonymous International’ Leaks Kremlin's Instructions to Russian TV
Pulling back the curtain on Putin's propaganda machine. Images mixed by author.
A Russian Internet group called “Anonymous International” has leaked what it claims is a “tyomnik”—a list of prepackaged news stories prepared by the Kremlin for Russia’s central television news stations. The group does not name its source for the document, but the whistleblower says Vladimir Putin’s administration is the author.
The tyomnik (see below for a translation of the first two sections) instructs TV journalists to justify Russia’s recent annexation of Crimea, to laud President Putin’s efforts to develop the region, and even to advertise Crimea’s tourist season, on which the local economy desperately relies. (Russian journalist Ilya Barabanov joked that the talking points for Crimean vacations—“nearby, safe, among our own people”—are oddly similar to the slogan for the Sochi Olympics: “hot, cool, yours.”) The document also coaches television news stations to propagate an apocalyptic description of events in the Ukrainian heartland, where criminals and fascists supposedly run wild.
Russian television has long been infamous for parroting the Kremlin on political issues. It is still rare, however, that the public glimpses this propaganda system’s internal workings. If Anonymous International’s leak is genuine, Russians are getting to peek behind the curtain today.
The first page of Anonymous International's “tyomnik” leak.
Тема – Крым
Главное:
1. Следует разъяснять, что за 23 года нахождения в составе независимой Украины Крым по вине киевских властей в основном деградировал. Цель российской власти сейчас – обеспечить становление новой жизни на полуострове, привести Крым к общероссийским стандартам в качестве жизни.
Разгрести “авгиевы конюшни”, оставленные украинской властью, в одночасье не получится; но работа в этом направлении ведется, и результаты крымчане будут ощущать ежедневно.
На прошлой неделе по поручению В.В.Путина Крым и Севастополь посетил ряд министров силового блока. На следующей неделе ожидается поездка ряда других членов кабинета.2. Просьба активно включиться в работу по пропаганде летнего отдыха в Крыму: близко, безопасно, у своих.
Topic — Crimea
Main points
1. It should be clarified that 23 years within an independent Ukraine largely degraded Crimea, and the authorities in Kiev are to blame. The goal of Russian authorities now is ensuring the emergence of a new life on the peninsula, bringing Crimea up to Russia’s national standards of quality of life.Cleaning the Augean stables left by Ukrainian authorities cannot be accomplished overnight, but the work is underway, and Crimeans will be seeing it every day.
By order of Vladimir Putin, a number of key ministers will visit Crimea and Sevastopol. Next week, several other members of the cabinet are expected to make the trip, as well.
2. Please make an active effort in your work to promote the summer vacation season in Crimea: it’s nearby, safe, among our own people [“у своих”].
Тема – Украина
Основные линии информационной работы:
– атмосфера беззакония, нарастающий хаос: нацисты на ключевых государственных постах, МВД парализовано страхом (все грозные слова после гибели А.Музычко остались только словами), разгул криминала, дуреющего от собственной безнаказанности, рост преступности под видом “майдана”;
– экономика катится в пропасть: денег как не было, так и нет; объявлены уже в самом ближайшем будущем рост тарифов, снижение социальных выплат и секвестр бюджета;
– на этом фоне особенно цинично выглядит нарастающая грызня за власть.
Topic — Ukraine
The bottom line for informational work:
– there is an atmosphere of lawlessness and growing chaos: nazis occupy key government posts, the Interior Ministry is paralyzed by fear (all the tough talk after the death of [Right Sector general] Aleksandr Muzychko has remained only words), crime is rampant, stupefied by its own impunity, and rising under the guise of “Maidan” activism;
– the economy is spinning out of control: money that was drying up before [Maidan] is still absent; a rise in taxes in the very near future has been announced, along with cuts to welfare benefits and a government budget sequester;
– in this context, bickering over power looks especially cynical.
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218 comments
It is interesting to get a glimpse inside to be sure…
But it is not surprising as the media in Russia is well known beyond doubt for it’s bias and propaganda. Having been to Russia numerous times and having contributed in various formats to numerous Russian media reader forums and comments sections I see the bias of their moderators. The hypocrisy and lies are pathetic but no real issue for the well-informed as they are so silly and transparent. Young grade-school children do similar work and activities in their games and play.
The real crime is that the good people of Russia in general are so blind to the corruption and lies of Putin and his cronies.
Having been to Ukraine a few times also I can say that the people there are well educated and beyond this kind of deception. It is so ‘Russian’ that Putin would have all Ukrainian media and TV banned in Crimea before the referendum and fill the land with Russian troops while lying about it and then cry foul when Ukraine wisely limits and blocks some of the Russian propaganda outlets in their country. hypocrisy and elementary at best.
One last point…In the US and Europe Russia even runs their propaganda outlets freely. The freedom and confidence of leaders there do not worry for lies and propaganda as they stand open and legal with no fear of truth.
Why does Putin so shamefully and cowardly hide the truth? What does this little man fear?…ahh yes, truth, he fears truth!
No, Putin doesn’t hide the truth. The West does. Try to find any mention of Right Sector threatening to storm Rada on Thursday in any western media outlet. I am sure you won’t. TV is perhaps censored in Russia, but the Internet is not. Regards.
Your delusional
Oh really try to watch vice TV and watch their 19 episodes of live in Crimea. See the truth. Putin’s so full of shit it’s actually funny you people are stupid enough to believe it all. What does United States what with Ukraine. Russia just know it will never be a superpower without having Ukraine firmly where they want them. And that will never happen. Russia is no longer a superpower and a measly little regional power.
Nope. You are delusional. Tell me please 1) why this situation with Right Sector is not reported anywhere in the West, 2) who those 5 snipers were. If Junta know there were Ukrainians, then they know who they were, 3) Not a single word about British investigators for over a month, 4) In which condition is governor Gubarev, 5) rumours about gold reserves, Skifs’ gold moved to the USA – is it true or not? Most of state assets given to banksters as collateral for future loans – true or not? 6) would be funny to know ‘truth’ about Crimea.
Come to mail.ru site and find out that millions of people communicate in Runet without censorship.
Russia is not a superpower, doesn’t pretend it is. Still Russia has rights like other countries.
‘What does US ..’ – don’t pretend to be an idi0t. Regards.
IT WAS REPORTED IN THE WEST
I HAVE POSTED LINKS
SERGEY
NOW have the decency to RETRACT your statement
OK. This situation was reported in western media which very few people read. It was not reported in western media read or watched by millions. .
You do not know who read, how many read or did not read the Right Sector Storming.
What are the ‘broad UNSUPPORTED Statements you constantly insist on making!
I repeat so everyone is aware: Tokarev is a professional troll. His postings fall beautifully in line with the TROLL FACTORY guidelines. He will divert, change topic, write anything to annoy (reason is not of any value) and, ultimately, insult the opponent. Just ignore him.
Oleksanda is Canadian of Ukrainian origin, as far as I understand. She was brought up in russophobia. She followed me for a long time on Discus. She saw I was always right. This was in conflict with her upbringing. Eventually she deleted her Discus account. She couldn’t take my side because of her upbringing. She couldn’t take your side either, because she is a kind, honest person.
Eventually she deleted her Discus account. It doesn’t make sense to try to talk her now. Regards.
:) Nice to see you, Oleksandra. You were a more or less nice person when you were Oleksandra. Pretty stupid, but there was something humane in you. Now there is nothing but stupidity and abusive spamming.
What do you mean by ‘troll skills’? We obviously understand this term differently. As you know, I mean what I say. Everything I write is true, to the best of my knowledge.
You, being Oleksandra, had very different opinion, but was kind of a human being. Now you are just trolling and spamming, chasing me with meaningless comments.
‘With no success’? LOL. Mr. Hack was nearly as insane Ukrainian nationalist as yourself. Look at his last comment under video of Odessa massacre. Look how much fewer are there now moronic comments on Motyl’s forum.
There in no need to ridicule ‘The pro Ukrainian group’ anymore. This bunch of nutjobs has ridiculed itself enough.
Regards.
P.S. Please forget about me. You don’t irritate me by your stupid comments, and these forums are by far less important now than they were some time ago. Still, your brainless spam is infringement on freedom of speech. As you know, Ukrainianism is a deeply totalitarian sect.
Look at my forecast a year ago:
‘My forecast was that your russophobic upbringing should prevail over good nature. I hope to be wrong, Madam.’
Funny, isn’t it? :)
When you pretended that Odessa massacre was over-reaction, you said that it was too brutal. What do you say now, knowing that it was orchestrated by your good guys from first to last shot?
Junta spread several versions – four, to be certain – of Odessa massacre. One of those versions was over-reaction, i.e. federalist provocateurs shot several fans. You said it was brutal.
Please qualify this crime now, knowing that Odessa massacre was performed by your good guys from first to last shot, including provocateurs.
Would you also enlighten me about cross-cultural differences? You like censorship so much. You ban bloggers you disagree with. Why? What for? Do you fear truth? Do you feel better when you ban truth? Do you enjoy your utterly pathetic media and officials?
Russian man came in Britain to a brothel. The girl was pretty. She sang him Ukrainian folk song, read some verses. He understood her. Then he danced her (remember – ‘dance EU!’). His heart was broken. He fell in love.
One week later he came to the same brothel with a bouquet of flowers and ordered the same girl. She didn’t recognize him. She sang the same song and read the same verses. The man barely restrained himself from vomiting. Without dancing her, he hastily ran away.
Was it you, Madam?
I guess you also know her grandmother.
Pardon?
Good to see you Oleksandra. Good job. I do not mind arguing with people who have genuinely different views but I also detest intellectual prostitution promoted and financed by the Kremlin.
That is wasn’t a sensation in the west is because people in west can separate truth from Russian propaganda.
Remember we have some practice from the last cold war, which btw Russia lost big time.
The one you have started now you will loose too.
Assshole! I follow one person. He said that we in Russia are vaccinated against propaganda. We always read between the lines. This is right. It is really hard to fo0l us.
Western people don’t have such vaccination. You don’t need it – you lie on purpose. Why do you lie? Why do you need confrontation? Why do you draw such weird comparisons? Reagan&associates were fighting, in their belief, for noble ideas. NeoLoon Trotskyists are mad totalitarian power.
How did Russia start this Cold war? She didn’t.
Did you notice, Madam, which kind of links you gave? Which kind of people tell truth this days? Those who strongly oppose Washington Marxists making case for WWIII. They oppose Marxists lying on a hourly basis. They oppose propagandists like this Chris Makey, tvartsan, kievjoy and others on this thread.
My forecast was that your russophobic upbringing should prevail over good nature. I hope to be wrong, Madam.
I overlooked your comment “russophobic upbringing ”
previously, but now I would request that you cease to do so.
How dare you pretend to know whether I was brought up to hate Russians’.
Would you teach a child to “hate”?
Do not confuse love of ‘Batkivshchyna; Patriotism with Hatred.
Do not confuse Patriotism with Nationalism
Resolve your own hatred at least intellectually.
Where did you see hatred, Madam? Also, you demanded my apology, and I apologized, but I don’t know for. rt stands for Russia today, and those who tell truth call Kiev Junta fascist putschists, as you can see in your link. One sentence in your post also seemed to complex for me to comprehend. I am not a native speaker.
I told you long ago all people of good will on this planet should wish Putin good health.
i read your comments. it is easy to discern hatred in the way you “hit below the belt” in the way you select information. i have told you as much before
i trust i have answered all questions now
Bile is natural for me. What for sculpture – it was appropriate for Poles, not for confused Ukrainians (except those who in Wehrmacht uniforms on their avatars finish up lying underdogs), as I said. I don’t like to hit below the belt. You saw I didn’t ridicule hookers boycotting Russians, didn’t say on MT to expats that, frankly speaking, most of hookers in Moscow are Ukrainians. I am not sure what you mean by ‘select information’. I prefer all information uncensored, like on mail.ru or links I gave you earlier, or links you gave me today.
You avoided the most important questions, and I still don’t know what I apologized for, but perhaps enough for now, Madam?
“You avoided the most important questions,”
my error,
repeat Q’s please
“and I still don’t know what I apologized for”
not sure, but for being in the wrong i think
” but perhaps enough for now, Madam?”
definitely
@Sergey Sure there all Natzi’s!!! and that’s why the free world supports them, Can’t you see something’s wrong with your story? The diet of one sided stories from state propaganda works for Putin as it did for Hitler (Who also treated his people like sheep to feed his own destructive ego…
I don’t see a single sensible word in your post. Please make some efforts. Good luck.
Sadly there’s little point discussing anything with someone who does not see that he’s only been getting news from a government run messenger State Media. All the worst bits of the imperfect western world are all over Russian Media, along with interviews with conspiracy theories & idiots that will do anything to get media interviews.
All over the world there will be people who follow corrupt leaders like sheep. Thankfully many other imperfect countries are at least free to question their leaders.
Banned in Russia, you might want to check it out before Putler eventually blocks youtube as he has done with other parts of the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_vYB-go-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Rkom1RpKA
Where you talking to a mirror when were writing this post? Btw I do not watch Russian media.
What for the videos – sorry but I don’t have any desire to watch two hours of speculations.
Look at the mirror and think about own comment.
Regards.
The first five min’s of each with some of Russia’s clever people should would be enough. If you had been interested in the future of the ordinary Russian people who will also suffer.
For every lie Hitler had his people believe more than 10,000 lives were lost, Men Women & children!
“Btw I do not watch Russian media.” You should if you want to be balanced in your media awareness. Because then you would see that you parrot the kremlin line COMPLETELY.
I read forums, so I know that. It is a strong indication that Kremlin-controlled media are doing a great job.
Hi kid! Wanna look at your comments now, one year later?
‘It won’t be long before he places even more restrictions on Russian citizens access to free media.’ – who were right, ‘clever Russian lady’ or me?
Utterly deranged baloney.
I think she means her main language is Russian. Most in my village and my frriends speak mostly Russian, they are still Ukrainian as far as they’re concerned.
Yes, wish Putin health so that he can take over Ukraine and the Balkans.
I think you should remember what a fascist is. I’d say look it up in your dictionary, but I have feeling it would say ‘anyone who does not agree with Putin.’
See “ExposingTeamPutin”
All normal people should ask Herr Putin to stop wasting his resources on invading Ukraine and use the money to improve conditions for his own people.
Now, don’t tell us he is doing that with the falling standard of living, lack of supplies in shops etc etc.
Assshole! When Russia invades – everything will be over very fast. You know that. Whic ‘lack of supplies’? Don’t pretend you trust this KyivPost garbage.
Russia neither has the power nor the intelligence to wage a normal war.
Talk only.
http://strataforum.org/united-states-can-be-destroyed-with-only-one-atomic-bomb-russians-say/
Time to put this discussion to rest
Should I consider it as admittion that you are on the wrong side of history, that all your bandwagoning didn’t make sense and was a result of brainwashing, that Washington Marxists make case for WWIII, their cause is wrong, and they are led by mad thirst for hegemony?
not at all
Why not?
because we disagree on everything as a result of 2 Realities and 2 Truths.
for example you believe that I am on the wrong side of history. I am not but you are. I do not bandwagon at all. you bandwagon. this is not even a term i employ, it is for me an americanism.
there is no progress because we discuss at cross purposes
So western media is censored, but Russia is authoritarian, Marxists in Washington make case for war but it is fine, because they should dominate the world, and bandwagoning we replace with ad populum. Agreed?
“So western media is censored” This statement alone say’s enough about the scale of the hypocrisy of putler who harresses free media in side Russia until it closes, has already banned many sites & has passed measures to monitor bloggers in Russia..
‘hypocrisy of putler’ – where do you see putler in my comments? Western media is censored, and western, especially US, populace is brainwashed. ‘harrasses free media’ – where did you see free media in Russia (I mean natonwide TV channels)? There are free forums, unlike in the West (I mean foreign affairs; I believe domestic issues are not heavily censored in the West). Nothing has become worse, although now the pressure on social media increases.
I do not think he has a ‘truth’ because he knows better but chooses to make some money by trolling. He, in essence, is a primitive liar.
Serhiy, it was the Soviet Union who tried to buiuld a state on Karl Marx ideas.
What is hegemony? I’m Engtlish and don’t recognise the word although I’ve noticed a few people using it.
Hegemony is when a country has influence over all others, in other words when a country has enough power and influence to alter and affect world politics.
Thanks Misha. A friend of mine looked it up for me, his version said influence and domination over another another. You always get some differences in meanings.
Hegemony is US foreign policy in a nutshell – Russia is not your enemy its just how the US want to portray it to fool Ukrainians.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk They gassed Syrians to blame it on Assad – you have no idea what the US will do to Ukrainians to blame it on Putin. Look at Turkey recently prepared to bomb their own to make it look like Assad did it – go back in history to Tonken Bay so they could start the Veitnam war & now look at Maidan snipers shooting their own to justify what happened.
Please don’t be manipulated just to set up a NATO base.
From a discussion with a clever Russian lady
“Putin’s regime is not only corrupt & dangerous, Although convincing to many who only hear about the worst of the west on state media, its blatant lies & propaganda are becoming an embarrassment not only across the globe but also to anyone in Russia with the ability to think for themselves. It won’t be long before he places even more restrictions on Russian citizens access to free media. My father say’s Putin himself is starting to make Stalin look like an angel”
My pleasure. It’s actually something we had to learn in History, and one thing I learned is that no one ever learns from History. Russia, England, America, etc… Everyone thought for Hegemony, and true, we do need a country to hold such position in order to keep a certain world order, the only sad thing is that those countries always forget about each nation’s individual needs and put their own interests ahead of those.
Here’s a simple question that Putlerites would have extreme difficulty in answering with any degree of honesty or accuracy whatsoever.
What is it you Believe the west wants in the 21st century other than A STABLE World for All?
The west is big. If you mean the bunch of bloodthirsty nutjobs who hijacked foreign policy – they need only domination. Each country must obey. No freedom at all.
SEE ABOVE, AS PREDICTED, THIS SIMPLE QUESTION CAUSES BIG PROBLEMS FOR PUTLERITES.
Whom do you call putlerites, idi0t? Which problems? For me there are no problems answering your questions. Do you mean ‘Mordor’ by ‘a stable world’? I don’t want such stable world. If SU had won the Cold war – it would have been a disaster for all, IMO, including for us. If you don’t have thoughts and arguments – think, read, do research. You don’t seem to have a qualified opinion yet. Regards.
Another question Sergey is going to have difficulty with.
Sergey you say “do research” “You don’t seem to have a qualified opinion yet”
Can you please share the source of your research & qualified opinion?
First, I followed news for a very long time (there was a several years break). Then I returned to media just above a year ago, hoping to find opposition-minded soulmates. To my great surprise MSM depicted trends upside-down. Perhaps you know an anecdote about Decembrist’s granddaughter. I read the Guardian, The WaPo, The Moscow Times, mail.ru and watch Jon Stewart, other sources occasionally. I give the list of the better sources in other comments on this thread.
sergey .you obviously know nothing about marxism if you thin obama & his crew are marxist …
they are unashamedly a capitalist elite ,who are no different to the republican elite ..
heres a real Marxist group from USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(United_States)
so read and educate your dumb ass Sergey ..
Which RADA Oleksandra. I did read about one, but Serhiy only swaid RADA.
Verkhovna in Kyiv
http://rt.com/news/right-nationalists-storm-ukraine-701/
Another mention of nationalists. Can you google? Or not?
You going to seriously try and prove a point using RT news? I don’t even know what is worse American BS or RT.
I’m not proving any points, I’m asking to use google, but, first of all, brains.
Russia has rights, to do what,take over another country. I’ve seen that site, mostly pro-Russian. As for the money6, Ukraine wouldn’t have to go cap in hand if Yanokovitch hadn’t cleared out the country’s coffers before running.
As for the snippers and shooters, they were mostly Berkut and people paid by Yanokovitch and have fled to Crimea or Russia.
What British investigators, if they had been called in I would have heard from my English family. Crimea won’t even allow observers in from any non-Russian controlled country. They had guns aimed at them when the OSCE tried to enter.
British investigators – google. What for Crimea – any day you prefer Central African Republic over Singapore? I see. Let me write this… Kievjoy… Category – nutjobs.
You can join betting I offered to Blue. I like your style. Regards.
Be careful you will scare these fools that can’t research stories caring only to listen to Western propaganda lies like on this website which is total BS lies. Bravo Russia & Bravo Putin – Pabeda !
RT news, and you going to talk about propaganda?
The situation of the far right groups as well as the recent violence is reported in the West and US specifically in many places. It is not major news as Ukraine is not a major US ally. The events in Ukraine are more geopolitical and regional so it is not major news in the US.
However it is easy to find and never blocked or monitored.
Has it occurred to you that since the former KGB which is now the FSB trains and reigns supreme in the current Ukrainian SBU?
The latest findings by numerous governmental and international investigations are that the very trained guns who shot the civilian protestors in late February were the same bullets and guns that shot the government forces. Yes, Russia’s ally Yanukovych and Putin’s ‘tools’ were obviously behind it just as it is clear that there are no real threats to Russian ‘speakers’ in Ukraine, rather there are Russian instigators brought/bused in who inflame and create issues.
It is hard to believe that there remains such ignorant and willfully misinformed folks in the world. You and your type are exactly what facilitated and allowed for Hitlers insane nationalism to mobilize the peoples of Europe so many years ago.
It is sad, pathetic and so transparent.
Tell me about your excuse for Yanukovych’s $75 million mansion and other vast assets? Putin knows as he has the very same many times over scattered all over the globe. And guess what? I am not in Russia so I can say this without someone coming to my home or work and arresting me for defaming the government..!
The fact is that Putin is criminal and corrupt to the very same degree as was Stalin and Hitler! Get over it!
My computer glitches today, and mobile is very slow, so I reply only to you. I appreciate your efforts. This post is really eye-opener, not outrageus propaganda, and I want to reward you. Please specify the amount you want to get. In order to not offend you by handout, I offer betting. Say you bet our guys did the shooting, and I bet yours (funny, I know. Just a formality).
It’s funny that most nof the shooters couldn’t understahnd Ukrainian and were trying to change Roubles. Even people who speak mainly Russian can speak and understand Ukrainian.
I get British and American press via internet every day, not just Ukrainian and Russian. I don’t need your money, I prefer my honest British pension for ourselves, and the donations for our charity for the kids. We don’t use the charity for ourselves, we often have to use our pension forn extras for the kids. We’re something that someone like you wouldn’t understand, Sergey, honest
So you point is that if I hit you in your pocket for your BS, then I hit your charity and kids? Not very nice ploy, but I don’t want to hit charity. Keep BS then, but preferably with somebody else. Good luck in your charitable activities, if they are real.
I didn.t ask you for money, you offered it and I told you in polite terms to stuff it,
“We’re something that someone like you wouldn’t understand, Sergey, honest”
– never trust people who talk down to you from the gutter, or people who finish their sentences with claims of honesty
you sir are scum, let us hope your children do not breed
i wish we werent on the same side, id bet you man, i got big love for your word
respect
Thank you so much, Dmitry.
Well Said
Tell me why Russia interferes in a sovereign states internal affairs?
Don’t use the excuse “ethnic Russians” because in Ukraine they never wanted to join Russia.
Who tries to annex them? Nobody. Why Russia interferes? How? Actually Russia has not only the right, but also the duty as a co-founder of UN, to interfere and fight genocide. Unfortunately the circustances don’t allow to do this in due way.
Why the USA interferes? Why the USA brokered transition of power, orchestrated coup d’etat? Why does the USA ignore will of people – 57% were pro-Russia, much less pro-NATO? Why does the USA ignore Intl, law, Yalta agreement? Why those people – Heavenly Hundred – were killed? Why Nazi mobs with tommy-guns arrived in Odessa long before the coup? Why federalists where intimidated in Odessa in such barbaric way – mass murder?
Russia has absolutely no right to instigate and support insurrection in Ukraine.
It is the classical example that Russia do not trust the voice of the people.
So, if 80% of people of Novorussia want autonomy, then those who kill them for this are good democratic guys, and those who respect will of people ‘do not trust the voice of the people’. I see your point, faqqot. :)
1) it is only in Russian records the people in east wanted autonomy.
2) the only way to determine the will of the people is in an orderly arranged and monitored referendum. Russia didn’t want to do that because they knew the outcome.
Very possibly Ukraine will be forced by Russia – along with France and Gemany – to respect Intl. law and will of people. Are you betting money on nonsense you are spewing?
You didn’t answer why do you write this garbage. Faqqot, right? Let me call you in such case ‘Danish Sodomy’, with all due respect, Sir?
Never, be realistic and see whats happening to Russia.
Isolated, despised, high inflation, bleeding capital.
Typical sign of a looser.
Thank you for ever-wrong forecasts, dear Danish Sodomy. I looked for a subscription for Wishful Schadenfreude, but there are lots of individuals like yourself, so perhaps I don’t need it.
I wish you happy life with those seksy kids of Western and Central Ukraine, but not kids of South-East.
(Yawn)
You appears to be sleepy (yawn), better go back to bed and enjoy your fantasies.
It was reported in the west , on youtube. I checked and posted links here
Chris, Tokarev is a professional troll. His postings fall beautifully in line with the TROLL FACTORY guidelines. He will divert, change topic, write anything to annoy (reason is not of any value) and, ultimately, insult the opponent. Just ignore him.
It is a tactical mistake, Giorgio. See – this is a conversation of a year ago, and you invite Chris to return to this thread and see how right I was and am, and how pathetic your ever-lying ilk are.
Regards.
http://rt.com/news/right-nationalists-storm-ukraine-701/
Ukrainian nationalists
threaten to storm parliament after leader’s killing
Over
1,500 nationalists from the Right Sector have circled Ukrainian parliament in
Kiev threatening to storm it on Thursday. They demanded the resignation of the
interior minister after their leader Muzychko was killed in a police operation.
Up to 2,000 members of the Right Sector, which recently was
revamped into a political party, flooded the square in front of Verkhovna Rada
in the Ukrainian capital on Thursday night. The radicals, who brought car tires
to burn with them, were banging on the Parliament’s doors, smashing the glass
parts in them.
Wearing masks and brandishing bats, they were shouting
“Avakov, get out!”
The parliament building was empty except for guards, some
administrative staff and reporters. All the MPs had earlier left the building
through an underground tunnel, RIA Novosti reported.
The protesters were threatening to break into the parliament if
their demands were not met, journalists reported from the scene. The Rada’s
security in the meantime concentrated in front of the entrance to the building
and prepared water cannons, urging the journalists inside not to approach the
windows looking onto Constitution Square.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/29/18753252.php
plus more if you sre inclined to read them all plus YOUTUBE
Thank you so much for this link, Madam. There are good sources of information and analysis, such as P.C.Roberts, globalresearch.ca, davidstockmancontracorner.com etc. The problem is – who reads this? No one MSM outlet reports such things which don’t fit MiniTruth narration. What for RT – many take it with a pinch of salt, many are biased.
Reuters is a major source of information for international media which is why I posted this link. it has a wider audience than marginal organisations like Global Research.
YouTube which posts imagery has posted the storming as well.
Face it Sergey,
you are wrong
i could prove you wrong in other “statements” that you make, but let a lot go.
You have a Reality which I call Truth.
i read the article in MT where the term ‘reality’ is used. I like it more that my word “truth’
i also realise that your comments may be of ‘other’ benefit, given your level of commitment and dedication.
You are right. I was wrong. I thought rt.com stands for Russia Today.
Please don’t hesitate to prove I am wrong when I am wrong.
‘i also realise that your comments may be of ‘other’ benefit, given your level of commitment and dedication.’ – not sure what you mean.
Sorry, Madam. I have just checked, rt stands for Russia Today. I don’t see any link to Reuters.
There isn’t a square opposite the Verkhovna Rada. There is a large park at the side. The nearest proper square is Maidan, which is at least 1.5 Km away. As I said my friend lives nearby and nothing was going on there apart from the normal business of the day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26784236
This is MSM. So I did right when apologized.
Which RADA was this. My friend lives near to the RADA in Kyiv and there have been no problems since the coward Yanokovitch ran away. By the way there are still members of the right and The Party of Regions in the house of deputies.
When you try to have discourse with a pig invariably you get covered in shit – its not worth it! He’s either a US troll or has swallowed too much CNN gavno :)
You do realize RT get’s filtered and only says information that’s on behalf of Russia, and mostly Putin. Come on, half my family are Russian and we all know RT is bunch of over the top crap. Also, why would anyone watch American news on behalf of Crimea/Ukraine/Russia situation they are blind and i would not listen to hypocrites anyways.
Russia is now suffocating in its own shit.
Russia is isolated and burning resources on a lost case.
Anyone who in public supports the madness of Putin and Co. is marked for life.
Are you trying to intimidate me, faqqot? How are things with your dream – to poke the Bear and force him to occupy Ukraine? Apparently not as good as you wish.
What is your motivation to write such garbage – faqqot? Paid? Do you believe in totalitarianism?
Yes I am.
Your ranting is the losers last cry for attention.
Typical Russian talk talk talk without substance, like articles in Pravda.
I don’t need attention, faqqot (faqqot – right? This is your reason to write garbage?) I have more important things to do, because roughly 100% people know now that our cause is just. It makes less sense to comment now than it was a year ago.
Btw you are welcome to challenge my comments and bet money. I know you won’t – because you know that everything you write is nonsense – but it is my courtesy.
The ranting of a looser………….
http://strataforum.org/united-states-can-be-destroyed-with-only-one-atomic-bomb-russians-say/
Anders ‘Danish Sodomy’ Nielsen! I solemnly repeat my generous offer to challenge my comments and bet money. My usual ante is $10K.
Best regards, Esteemed Danish Sodomy. (Yawn)
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
LOOSER
LOOSER…………………………..
143 million in a declining country are trying to teach 900+ million in ascent how to run a country.
Russia’s GDP is merely 2.9% of the world one and 6% of those of NATO countries.
Russia’s defense budget is 10 times lower than that of the NATO countries, Aslund points out.
“Why should Russia be allowed to place itself above the law even if it doesn’t qualify for a superpower?” Aslund asks the proponents of Russia’s “special geopolitical role.”
The expert also questions the assumption that Vladimir Putin bases his decisions on rational grounds.
“Putin is wrapped up in the belief that US special services are behind all revolutions in the world. Accordingly, Ukrainians could not have toppled the corrupt Yanukovych regime on their own.
It takes a complete paranoic to think so, the expert concludes.
I think A. Aslund is too harsh on Obama. :)
By calling me names I take it as a mark of honor.
It confirms your level of culture.
Actually your ranting is a good example of Russian mentality,
When at the loosing end of the stick – respond with raw brute force.
As Russia did by the annexation of Crimea and invasion of E-Ukraine.
Here you are Blue . and there are 2 more pages plus YOUTUBE
http://rt.com/news/right-nationalists-storm-ukraine-701/
Ukrainian nationalists
threaten to storm parliament after leader’s killing
Over
1,500 nationalists from the Right Sector have circled Ukrainian parliament in
Kiev threatening to storm it on Thursday. They demanded the resignation of the
interior minister after their leader Muzychko was killed in a police operation.
Up to 2,000 members of the Right Sector, which recently was
revamped into a political party, flooded the square in front of Verkhovna Rada
in the Ukrainian capital on Thursday night. The radicals, who brought car tires
to burn with them, were banging on the Parliament’s doors, smashing the glass
parts in them.
Wearing masks and brandishing bats, they were shouting
“Avakov, get out!”
The parliament building was empty except for guards, some
administrative staff and reporters. All the MPs had earlier left the building
through an underground tunnel, RIA Novosti reported.
The protesters were threatening to break into the parliament if
their demands were not met, journalists reported from the scene. The Rada’s
security in the meantime concentrated in front of the entrance to the building
and prepared water cannons, urging the journalists inside not to approach the
windows looking onto Constitution Square.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/29/18753252.php
The problem with your post is that you fail to address my very points…
Most free and honest media in Russia is banned. That which is not banned is watched and under constant threat.
The majority of the threats in Ukraine are about politics and small in scope. There are absolutely no nationwide, regional, or local threats to Russian speaking UKRAINIANS in Ukraine! PERIOD!
Yes, there are some fascists and far right folks and groups in Ukraine just as there are in Russia and the US. In each of these they have a relative percentage of real influence and pose an equal relative threat to any single demographic group or area.
It is no secret that Putin’s Russia is behind the instigations now just as before during the past month plus. It was no secret that Hitler orchestrated the numerous manipulations and scenarios that he did. They are both cut from the same cloth, Putin and Hitler.
Oleksandra, as I stated previously, there is no comparison. The media may be biased in the US at times but there is no government law or rule that bans or prevents me from simply seeking another local or national source to balance the truth and facts. And the bias when it occurs generally comes from the media outlet and not the government! BIG difference!
In Russia Putin’s Kremlin just recently took over the last major (MAJOR) news outlet by appointing a well known bigot and Kremlin/Putin tool. That is no secret.
Like I said to your fellow compatriot (kirkmcloren) previously…If you believe your own banter then you deserve it…
Regards
Blue
Why was I supposed to address your points? I happen to agree with your posts
My argument was with Tokarev who disputed that western media did not report Pravyi Sektor storming Rada after the murder of Muzuchko.
Perhaps you relied to wrong post?
I was just going to post the exact same thing… My apologies. I was reading some of the more misleading and inaccurate posts and mistook yours…
I have to wonder about how many of those YouTube videos and links are blocked in various places and times throughout Russia and Russian held places. There are so many state mandated reasons that allow for monitoring and control by both the national and regional offices and most recently the local prosecutors do not even need approval to take down sites at will.
This whole affair is truly sad for the nation and peoples of Ukraine and for many Russians who have been held back as a nation for years under Putin and his autocratic and corrupt rule.
Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding. You make a fine ‘partner’ for truth. *smile
Blue
All OK
It is going to be a long “journey”
A lot of dis-information about
Cheers
AMB
The good people of Russia are not fooled, but are arrested if they protest,although some have braved the threat of prison and have had demonstrations and been beaten and arrested.
The west is far from perfect either but at least we are free to investigate our governments. Sadly too few Russian’s understand what it is like to live in a much more open societies with hundreds of media channels, in which there are always people free to voice criticism or conspiracy. In the west we would have asked questions if we had a leader who was now worth billions, but many people in Russia are not even aware of how well Putin has fooled his own people, so its difficult if not impossible for them to believe that he could be many times worse than the even worst of western leaders. The documentary, The Putin System, had some wise warnings from Russians who have known Putin.
After many years of showing only the worst bits of the west and manipulating the truth via state media, large percentages of ordinary Russians are truly conditioned to believing his every messages without question. Its a very convincing method. Worryingly Hitler used the same hidden deceitful methods as Putin to great effect, the people of that time strongly supported him, seen him as a strong leader for their country and not the reckless power hungry narcissistic individual who would cause great suffering and loss.
If only they knew that this is exactly what has happened in the past and this is very dangerous for everyone. see #QuestionsForPutin
I suspect Putin fears several things; like loosing his position of authority, the extremely luxurious lifestyle which he go’s to such efforts to hide or the billions he has gained through corrupt means, but most of all i suspect he fears more of the ordinary Russian people finding out that he has been looking them in the eye and lying. He can’t stop now.
Some clever people in Russia know of this but are living in fear of intimidation, blackmail or worse.
Eyes21st, yours is a refreshing bit of truth.
Putin is a criminal of the most vile kind and the good people of Russia are for a large part blinded by the very same conditioning that Hitler used and Putin advances!
Why Obama and the West do not simply call out those lies and confront Putin and his minions is a major mistake.
The response that would work and settle Russian aspirations for years to come would be for the US and NATO…Or even the US alone, to park a couple to few battalions in Ukraine and tell Putin point balnk that if they enter Ukraine they will find themselves militarily and politically as far back as the majority of their country actually is. That is 3rd world status outside of their major cities!
In other words let Putin know that the vastly superior Western military machine will completely destroy Putin’s limited ‘somewhat’ modern military showcase!
Of course that would require some measure of realism and backbone from the delusional Obama…Hopefully Putin’s errors will not lead to a real and actual confrontation and engagement as in such a case it will be mostly innocent peoples who will suffer…But in such a case Russia should be sent back into what McCarther wanted to do after the close of WW2..
“Why Obama and the West do not simply call out those lies.” Yes with all the resources you would think someone would have atleast published a timeline & the themes of Putin’s reckless propaganda on the web & social media, this go’s back a long way…
#ExposingTeamPutin I think an effective action may be an urgent call for peaceful protest at the many locations around the globe with luxurious Yachts, Cars & Properties this would show the russian people the extent of corruption. Even individuals with a protest poster could help.
Outside of russia, hired thugs come under different rules .
Maybe telephoto lens should stay focused on the mediterranean ports until all the Yachts are forced back to Russian ports were the russian people would see how the most corrupt politicians in the world really live.
As a last cast resort, in the near future i’m afraid it may actually be necessary for other countries to declare military support to defend Ukraine’s border line from Putin’s troops & artillery with drones, and its internal airspace with defence systems and air support. A very dangerous situation as the the majority of the russian public have been successfully conditioned via years of state media to believe the likes of NATO is an enemy and not a defence force.
This is why i’d really like to see the word spread as fast as possible about the global exposure protest mentioned above.
Russia does not have NEWS stations, it has PROPAGANDA stations.
Actually there are a few small ‘news’ outlets in Russia. But their owners and founders are either in jail/pre-trial detention, under house arrest, or under investigation by Kremlin orders and direction…
You do make a fairly valid point though. Thanks for that.
My wife grew up in Russia, but has close relatives and her heart belongs to Ukraine. I’ve been hearing about this since the start.
It is true, “RAIN” channel is a very good one. I am russian speaking Ukrainian and I liked to watch it. Now it is almost closed.
me too! you can still watch it online right now and i hear some ukrainian networks are gonna carry it.
Oh yea because USA newstations never lie!
The propaganda from Putin has been on European and American channels as well as in some of the newspapers from those countries. I have written to the media in England, but never had a reply. A lot of the reporters writing the rubbish have either never been here, or have only been for a day or two. I’ve lived here for 11 years.
The OWNERS of media are the 1%. This crap happens in every country. American news holds the prize for scripted/
Teapot calling kettle blak
Kirk, how is the United States playing the role of the teapot in this scenario? Why are you bringing in the US at all right now?
You think US news isn’t scripted? To accuse Purin of scripting when it is standard procedure is disingenuous.
1) You didn’t answer my question. What does the US have to do with anything?
2) Are you suggesting that the Russian news is not scripted? If so, you clearly don’t believe that the leak described above is genuine. That’s fine, but I wonder what your reasons for such skepticism might be.
Is English a second language for you? All governments script. It is part of consensus generation. To single Putin out is to infer the others do not script when it established policy EVERYWHERE. Just as governments employ shills to shift consensus. Business as usual.
With all due respect, you are wrong about inferences. This piece implies nothing about media politics in the US or any other country. It is about the Russian TV media.
Russian TV media is scripted. Surprise surprise.
You infer it is a Russian problem and I assure you the rest are in the boat as well. All of us get bias to spin consensus. You are Satan;s little helper so don’t howl “moi”
Good grief kirk,
Did you lose some money or investments in those last sanctions?
You sound too scripted…
LOL. Exactly. (Don’t feed the trolls.)
The US government does not send out instructions to all of the US news channels on how to spin the “news”. But that is exactly what happens in Russia. That privately owned media networks exercise editorial judgement does not equal blatant and relentless state propaganda.There is such a thing as independent journalism in this country.
And to insults somebody’s language ability is simply rude and shows that you do not have a legitimate argument to make.
The British government was threatening to close the Guardian down unless they stop covering Snowden revelations. Perhaps their editorial policy did change – Greenwald is no longer with them.
The US government certainly does lead public opinion, as seen in Iraq, Libya, Iran, etc. Clinton said there were hundreds of thousands of missing Albanians to get public support for the war. The latest whopper comes from Obama, who said that Russian troops are massing on the Ukrainian border, and ALL of the MSM is parroting that. If you want a non-Russian source in the West, the Telegraph’s Roland Oliphant went looking for these phantom troops and found nothing.
Oliphant writes: “In a 200 mile trip along the border region, the only Russian armour on display
in this flat landscape was of a much older vintage, and stood on plinths in
town squares.”
Russia-Ukraine border is 1,226.61 mi. And assuming the troops as reported may be within 20 miles of the said border, that would mean that Mr. Oliphant would have to inspect 24,532 square miles of land in order to make his snarky conclusions.
Besides that, US intelligence claims that it’s about 30,000 troops that are there, not ALL as you say (Russia has more than ten times that). And it was Ukrainian officials that started to report that first, and Russia does not even deny that — they say they are there for “exercise.”
The story with British government trying to unsuccessfully supress the publication of classified materials is in no way equivalent to Putin’s administration sending out instructions to state owned media in Russia (which is almost all of it) on what to report. Moreover, they are not just suppressing or spinning information — they are blatantly and relentlessly lying to the entire nation the majority of which does not have access to any alternative sources of information because the government made sure that they don’t.
Now, if you want to be an all out conspiracy theorist and claim that there was no persecution and killings of Albanians in Kosovo and it was all Clinton’s vicious lies, then I’m not going to engage in an argument with you for it would be pointless.
US intelligence doesn’t know the half of it.
If you’re going to back in time, don’t forget that in 1933 Walter Duranty reported in the NYT that there was no famine in Ukraine. But he admitted in private that millions were starving to death.
In addition to that “whopper” other reporters were shown Potemkin villages behind whose lovely facades millions of Ukrainians were dying of hunger. All because another power-hungry maniac wanted control of this part of the planet.
Just because you don’t want to believe Putin is going down that same path doesn’t mean he isn’t.
Follow the money trail and find where the editorial outlets get paid. That is how unbiased your traditional media outlets in ‘Merica have become. Bought, sold & told what to say by advertisers.
The US scripted the entire Ukrainian coup – have you been living in a cave ?
Russia scripts news all the time, can’t call others hypocrites and be one yourself.
What you miss Kirkmcloren is the fact that in America and much of the rest of the ‘western’ world I am free to read news from anywhere in the world!
My government does not and can not shut me out from Ria Novosti, PressTV, RT, KavKaz, Daily News no more than they can from Fox News, NBC, CBS Bloomberg, WSJ, or any other source I choose. And in fact one of the most comically biased to watch is RT which has an office within a medium walking distance of the US Capitol.
I read them all and much more in order to stay well informed not only about the truth but also about the trash so I know how and when to respond with facts! Of course having traveled to some 37 countries and 5 continents helps a lot including numerous former USSR countries.
Russia’s government actually owns directly or by proxy and crony all of the news and media outlets save for a few very small ones which are closely watched and threatened directly or indirectly, but always clearly! As for the internet there are numerous loose laws that allow for sham and fabricated excuses to monitor, control, close, and manipulate.
In Russia the State Duma, the Federal Assembly, and the courts all function ‘literally’ as a tool and arm of Putin’s. In smaller and local cases they may have some measure of ‘relative freedom’ but in any case of importance or political relevance they seek or get ‘incidentally’ Putin’s opinion or preference and then proceed to fall in line ‘just so’.
Putin’s Russia is nothing short of criminal and sadly he is the single biggest threat to Russia and the amazing Russian culture and peoples.
Putin’s biggest weapon at this time is not the vast Russian armies who are very limited relatively, but rather his biggest ‘weapon’ and benefit is the hesitant and complacent (current) leaders of the west and especially Obama. But that will not be so forever and Putin knows it. Of course it is hoped that war can be avoided but it appears that Putin is stirring Ukraine and stoking fears and lies as he is responsible for as much of the violence and protests as is really from within the Ukrainian people.
Indeed, if you believe your own diatribe and words then you are indeed in the dark and perhaps Putin succeeds in limiting your news? In such a case you are deceived and if you are content with that then you deserve and in fact earn your ignorance.
Regards
If you think public media is not organised then your naivety is staggering.
I have a passport too BTW.
You hit the nail on the head
So you’re saying 1% in west = bad, but 1% in Russia = good … so therefore Putin’s control of Russian media also = good?
Wow, you sure loaded up on the fallacies with that one.
Oh and btw, you mangled the kettle metaphor pretty badly too. So maybe brush up on your western idioms. It will help with future trolling activities.
No you said that. Dishonesty is the mark of a shill
You warmongers are a waste of time.
Quite the ad hominem. You just keep blasting through that list of common fallacies.
So what’s this about war … wasn’t the topic of discussion the media?
As for dishonesty, that’s obviously your area of expertise.
Is anyone surprised by this revelation? Control of the message is the cornerstone of any dictatorship. Alternative views or different interpretations threaten the weak hold of megalomaniacs like Putin. What I don’t understand is how in this information age the Russian people do not rise up and demand access to other news sources. I am not naive enough to believe that there is only one truth out there, but really are Russians such sheep?
‘Control of the message is the cornerstone of any dictatorship.’ – so you live in a dictatorship? Do you like it? I live in Russia, thanks God. It is moderately authoritarian.
You likely would think differently if you were gay.
MODERATELY!
HA HA!
Why ha-ha?
On a scale of levels of authoritarian regimes, recent events and changes in government policies, actions including those in the “freedom ” category, Russia would not fall into the moderate category.
It would be timely for “Freedom House” to publish its next report.
You didn’t answer a number of questions. What I had to apologize for? Do you realize now that people viewing situation like me, not like you, tell truth? What you meant in a statement I didn’t understand? Do you realize that you are on the wrong side of history?
Freedom House is a joke. It is owned by State Dept. In rated Russia ‘partly free’ in 90s on the grounds that criminal oligarchs were more influential than the government. When Putin fixed this problem – they rated Russa ‘not free’.
Entire Europe,Canada,USA, basically all civilized world views situation’s like Oleksandra, only Russia views it like Russia. Last time i checked democracy was considered to be “free”, in democracy a man does not stay in power for decades.
I see you like bandwagoning and logical fallicies in general. Then look at The Guardian comment section, or Dr. Gregor Gysi speech in Bundestag, to begin with. ‘Last time i checked democracy was considered to be “free” – do you mean anything? ‘in democracy a man does not stay in power for decades.’ – if you are referring to Putin, then first Russia certainly is not a paragon of democracy, then a person CAN stay in power for decades in democracy. If you mean by democracy a habit of changing a frontman, please give your exact definition of democracy. I know more than five of those definitions, but not this one. Regards.