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China: Forgiving the Tiananmen Massacre Murderers?

While more than 180,000 people attended the annual candlelight vigil on June 4, 2012, in Hong Kong demanding the vindication of China's June 4th incident (Tiananmen Square protests), exiled former student leader Chai Ling wrote in the Huffington Post that she has forgiven the murderers of the massacre. Disagreeing with Chai Ling's stand, another former student leader Wang Dan issued a public statement via Facebook and stirred up a lot of debate.

Below is a video showing the scene of the candlelight vigil for the 23rd anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre in Victoria Park, Hong Kong (uploaded to YouTube by ):

Chai Ling said she had forgiven Deng Xiaoping and Li Peng who had ordered the people's army to wipe out the students and Beijing residents at Tiananmen Square in 1989, as well as the current leadership of China who continue to suppress people. Upon reading her article, Wang Dan wrote [zh] on his Facebook page:

對柴玲的個人信仰導致的這個意見,我表示尊重,但是完全不能同意。我認為,在殺人者還沒有任何懺悔,道歉,甚至還在繼續殺人的時候,被害方的原諒是沒有根據的。這樣的原諒,對六四死難者是很大的不公平。

我希望外界知道,柴玲的這番談話只代表她自己以及她的信仰,並不能代表廣大的八九同學。

我也公開呼籲柴玲正確區分個人的信仰與是非價值判斷這兩件事。

I respect Chai Ling's opinion which is based upon her religious beliefs. However, I could not agree with that. Before the murderers express their remorse and apology and when the murderers continue to kill others, there is no base for forgiveness. Such forgiveness is unfair to the victims of June 4 Incident.

I hope the world should know that Chai Ling's view can only stand for herself and her beliefs. It cannot represent the students of the 1989 incident.

I also urge Chai Ling to distinguish the difference between religious beliefs and value judgements.

There are more than 200 comments under the statement, the majority supporting Wang Dan and questioning Chai Ling's stand. Below is a selection of some typical ones [zh]:

Marianne Wong: 是殺人!一定要先認錯/認罪,然後才能再講原諒/寬恕!!

Marianne Wong: We are talking about manslaughter! Forgiveness should be after admission of one's guilt.

Alexander Shen: 我一直就觉得那个人不是个好人 让别人流血唤醒国人 自己却跑了;23年前和现在根本判若两人 根本就是个小人嘛

Alexander Shen: I always has the feeling that she is not a good person. She let others shed blood while she ran away; she has become a different person in the past 23 years. She is now a narrow minded person.

陳柏年: 我也是基督徒,但除了愛以外,基督的另一個核心價值精神,是公義。而這,我認為正是89的同學、當今廣大的中國人民,甚至所謂崛起的中國所最迫切需要的~~~

陳柏年: I am also a Christian. Apart from love another, a core value in Christianity is justice, which is most needed for students who were involved in the 1989 protest, Chinese people and China, the emerging nation.

Wen-shin Lee: 柴玲個人當場可以選擇原諒,但這不代表公義不該被申張。這跟受害人可以選擇原諒,但加害人仍然應付法律責任一樣。

Wen-shin Lee: Chai Ling can choose to forgive. But it doesn't mean that justice should not be served. The victim can choose to forgive but the convicted has to pay legal responsibility for what they have done.

Autumn Moon: ‎”I am not anti anything, including China. But I will advocate for the truth and I want the truth to be known.” – HH Karmapa

早雲直心: 如果當初她沒能逃離,現在還會這樣說嗎?

早雲直心: Had she not escaped, would she still talk like this?

Ming Zou: 柴玲在23年前就做了选择,成为了公众人物。既然是公众人物,她只好让公众评论。在我看来,她太另我失望!!她经历了苦难,她在25岁失去母亲,但她的母亲没有失去她,因为她今天还活着,活在一个民主国家,呼吸着民主的空气,享受着言论自由……,不知道柴玲是否想过她这么做是否对的起天安门家长们。他们的孩子们那时就是和柴玲在一起为中华民族的民主奋斗,她是那些孩子们的学运领袖之一,天安门家长23年来受的煎熬难道柴玲的那些经历能比吗?柴玲的作为不正是让那些讲风凉话的人们名正言顺地加一句:“就这水平,还领导学运?幸亏没成功,不然中国落到这种人手里,还了得?” 希望王丹做为柴玲89的‘战友“,能有机会和她私下谈谈,虽然人各有志,但请柴玲别丢六四的脸,别伤天安门家长的心,别做对在中国实现民主不利的是。她可以从此销声匿迹,闭门祷告,但别在人前做出这么没水平的’宣言”。我敢肯定她的上帝也不会赞同她的做法的。

Ming Zhou: Chai Ling already made the choice 23 years ago and become a public figure. As a public figure, she has to face the public. She has disappointed me. She has suffered, she lost her mother when she was 25. But her mother has not lost her, she is still alive today in a democratic country where she can breathe freely and talk freely… But does she think for the Tiananmen parents? Their kids fought with Chai Ling for democracy and she was a leader for those kids. The 23 years of suffering of these parents is too tremendous to be compared with Chai Ling's experience. Chai's behavior has provided an opportunity for mean comments such as: “People with such qualities were leading the student movement. Fortunately it was not successful or else China would be ruined.” I hope Wang Dan can talk with Chai Ling in private as a 1989 “comrade”. Even though people can make different choice, please ask Chai not to insult June 4, don't break the heart of Tiananmen parents, don't do anything this is harmful to the Chinese democratic movement. She can disappear, shut the door and say her prayers. Don't make such kind of low standard statements in front of others. I believe God will not agree with what she is doing.

A few comments defended Chai on religious grounds:

Edward Lim: Chai is not wrong. To forgive is to release oneself from hatred that continues to harm no one but oneself. Without peace in heart, one's life cannot be restored from pain and cannot move on healthily. Praying for the opponents is to give oneself strength to journey on. Justice still needs to be asked on behalf of the victims. Jesus set the example to forgive before people repented so for all who repent before His second coming, they are totally forgiven. For those who insist on doing bad and refuse His forgiveness, they would pay for justice at final judgement. Do not get it mixed up.

Clyde Xi: In Bible teachings, forgiveness is a personal decision that is made with no conditions attached. It primarily impacts the person who forgives…

 

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