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China: Re-education through labor sentence for two elderly protesters

Categories: East Asia, China, Development, Freedom of Speech, Governance, Law, Media & Journalism, Protest, Olympics

Global Voices Olympics [1]The Olympics have sure gone by quickly! Over the past two weeks a lot of people have been quite adamant about overlooking any news or issues not directly pertaining to the competitions in Beijing and other Olympic venues themselves (or am I just perpetuating a myth?), and even those, it seems, that involve anything unpleasant, even the infraction of IOC [2] rules. It almost makes you wonder how much more harmonious the Olympics would be online if bloggers had access to things like footage of Usain Bolt [3] setting not one but TWO [4] world records.

Anyway, it was hard to ignore the news of two seventy-plus-year-old women [5] who in applying to protest in special ‘Olympic Games protest zones’ [6] ended up unknowingly applying to be arrested [7], and were then sentenced to one year of re-education through labor [8]. One photo now circulating around the internet is also helping popularize the latest anti-censorship slight-of-hand, aka ‘don't speak just look at this photo’ [9]. Even anti-CNN.com [10] got talking about the story [11] in response to a 08/20 Guardian report on the controversy:

龙威不可犯:
呵呵,俺现在对这样的新闻报道一笑而过,连气都不会生。

Don't Mess With The Dragon:
Hehe, I just laugh and move on now when I see news like this, I can't even get angry over it.

hqt1972
毫无感觉

hqt1972:
No feeling whatsoever

changyuqi
笑笑就算了….我相信我们政府脑子还没那么混乱,抓2个70岁的老太太再告诉你们西方媒体?

changyuqi
Just laugh and forget about it…I don't think our government is foolish enough to arrest two 70-something old ladies and then tell those western media

于哲
怎么可能呢
外交部记者会上竟然也有记者问这问题

The Wisdom:
How could this be?
Some journalists actually asked about this at the Foreign Affairs press conference

无耻白人
中国入侵西藏的新闻都编得出来,这还不是毛毛雨

Shameless Caucasian:
They make news up about China invading Tibet, this isn't just a piffle

stkanon
挖靠, 这种谣也造得出来
倒底是记者太没常识还是太不要脸?

stkanon:
Damn, even this kind of news gets made up
Is the problem that journalists just have no common sense, or do they have no self-respect?

klmn170
看完楼主的帖子,我的心情竟是久久不能平静。正如老子所云:大音希声,大象无形。我现在终于明白我缺乏的是什么了,正是楼主那种对真理的执着追求和楼主那种对理想的艰苦实践所产生的厚重感。面对楼主的帖子,我震惊得几乎不能 …
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klmn170:
After reading this post, I felt upset for quite some time. Just like Laozi [12] emphasized: great wisdom is not readily apparent. Now I finally understand what it is I'm lacking, that being your stubborn search for the truth, and the weightiness that comes with your painstaking upholding of ideals. Faced with this post of yours, I'm so shocked I can barely…
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bird327
此消息是否真实,不得而知,但是当前社会问题频发确实不容回避的事实,

bird327:
I have no way of knowing if this news is true or false, but it's a fact that the recurring social problems nowadays cannot be avoided

wulixuan:
原帖由 klmn170 于 2008-8-21 10:43 发表
看完楼主的帖子,我的心情竟是久久不能平静。正如老子所云:大音希声,大象无形。我现在终于明白我缺乏的是什么了,正是楼主那种对真理的执着追求和楼主那种对理想的艰苦实践所产生的厚重感。面对楼主的帖子,我震惊得几乎不能 …
–你吃饱了撑得慌的话,去跑马拉松吧!

wulixuan:
klmn170:
After reading this post, I felt upset for quite some time. Just like Laozi [12] emphasized: great wisdom is not readily apparent. Now I finally understand what it is I'm lacking, that being your stubborn search for the truth, and the weightiness that comes with your painstaking upholding of ideals. Faced with this post of yours, I'm so shocked I can barely…

–If you ever get full from eating your own baloney, you should go run a marathon!

六毛党党员
上面有几个我认为可以涨工资了!

Sixty-cent party member:
I think the few of you commenting above should get a raise!

没心的石头
两个70多,抗议?儿子去告诉媒体?媒体还要报道?什么概念?为**记者悲哀,一个国家要灭亡,总是记者先疯狂!!!

Heartless stone:
Two 70-somethings, protesting? Did their sons go tell the media? And the media reported on this? What nonsense is this? Showing grief to foreign reporters, that's what destroys a country, and it's always the journalists who go nuts first!!!

porky017
现在拆迁很难,因为一个个都是狮子大张口,不把重孙子的钱要出来就不同意,好多农民都是这样一夜暴富的,估计如果真有此事,估计那两位老妈妈嫌以前要少了。北京地安门有一个拆迁,一共30来平米,要一套70多平米的商铺(价值400多万),另外再要1600万,最后被强拆了,这主是不是也和人权观察中心联系了。像这种人就得强拆,要闹事,就应该判刑。

porky017:
Forcefully evicting people is really tough now, because they all suddenly become fiercer than lions; if you don't put up the money for their grandkids’ college funds, they won't agree. This is how a lot of those farmers suddenly became rich overnight. I figure that if this case is for real, it's probably that those two old mums just didn't get paid enough previously. There was someone near Tiananmen in Beijing who got evicted, they had a total of 30-something square meters and wanted a 70-plus square meter commercial property (which is worth over 4 million), and 16 million on top of that. In the end they got forcefully evicted, and who knows if they even went and got in touch with a human rights monitoring center. People like this who get forcefully evicted and then make noise about it, they should get criminal sentences.

lasd:
原帖由 porky017 于 2008-8-21 11:38 发表 From:Anti-CNN求实交流论坛www.anti-cnn.com
现在拆迁很难,因为一个个都是狮子大张口,不把重孙子的钱要出来就不同意,好多农民都是这样一夜暴富的,估计如果真有此事,估计那两位老妈妈嫌以前要少了。北京地安门有一个拆迁,一共30来平米,要一套70多平米的商铺(价值400多万), …
–对就是这样贪得无厌,利益谁会怕多呢?如果每个人都这样没有止境的要价,怎样办事情?人也应该要有一个度。

lasd:
porky017:
Forcefully evicting people is really tough now, because they all suddenly become fiercer than lions; if you don't put up the money for their grandkids’ college funds, they won't agree. This is how a lot of those farmers suddenly became rich overnight. I figure that if this case is for real, it's probably that those two old mums just didn't get paid enough previously. There was someone near Tiananmen in Beijing who got evicted, they had a total of 30-something square meters and wanted a 70-plus square meter commercial property (which is worth over 4 million)…

–Right on about this kind of endless greed. Who doesn't want more benefits! If everybody were like this and put no limit on the prices they asked for, how would anything get done? People need to have standards.

和谐共生
很多事情都不是表面看到的那样简单,这样的报导只能糊弄心里反感中国政府的老外

Harmonious symbiosis:
A lot of things aren't as simple as they appear on the surface; these kinds of reports will only deceive those laowai [13]s who are so revolted by the Chinese government

北门北风
典型的假新闻!

North Gate North Wind:
Classic fake news!

gwgzx
这些家伙一般提问都是诱导式的 找自己想要的

gwgzx:
The questions these guys usually ask are all misleading, just out to find what they want to find

wxz
70多数的大妈应该晚饭过后去跳秧歌,不应该到处闹事,那么大的岁数了,也该要点老脸了。

wxz:
70-something old mums should be dancing the yangge [14] after dinner, not heading out and about making trouble. At such old age, they should have some dignity.

Widely-read blogger Lian Yue [15] has, in his usual style, posted a link on his Lian Yue's Eighth Continent Bullog blog to the news in English providing only a brief explanation of the situation, with the title ‘Gold medal for re-education through labor [16]‘. He posted the photo as well, and these are the comments from the first page (out of a total of more than 80 with over 15,000 views):

[匿名] 外宾 [60.176.172.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:41:25
这也叫新闻?

You call this news?

[匿名] 那些事 [60.209.121.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:41:28
不老实就劳教,不用审判,让你老实点。

If you're dishonest, you're gonna get re-education through labor, no sentence needed. That'll make you more honest.

[匿名] 洋大人 [60.176.172.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:42:47
什么事情想不通,只要想想这是在中国,就啥都想通了。。

None of this makes any sense until you remember that this is China, and then it all makes sense…

[匿名] 牛逼犯 [123.128.130.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:42:52
我党何时不悲哀过?

When has The Party not been sorrowful?

[匿名] marmoset [220.231.35.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:46:32
看那jc的高兴样,真想冲上去给丫一个大嘴巴。

狗屁体育盛会,就是一奥林匹克劳改营

Look how happy that cop looks, I really wanna rush up and give him a big ‘ol fat lip.

Dog-ass sports ceremony, more like an Olympic labor reform camp

[匿名] OmegaLee [58.60.161.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:55:09

呜呼哀哉~

sigh, this is so hopeless~

[匿名] kdc [203.143.160.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:56:14

[匿名] 外宾 [60.176.172.*] @ 2008-8-21 17:41:25

这也叫新闻?

=========

对外宾来说永远都是新闻。

You call this news?
–It'll always be news for those foreign visitors.

[匿名] 塔夫 [123.154.235.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:00:15
人们常说,“金钱是万恶之源”。这无疑是对金钱的污蔑与栽赃。君不见,那富可敌国的比尔·盖茨不仅给世界带来了优秀的软件,也为世界造就了一个伟大的慈善家。回顾人类历史上的种种悲剧,真正的结论或许应该是“不受约束的权力是万恶之源”。而对权力最有力的约束,对社会最有力的保障,莫过于可兑现的法治。如洛克所说:“法律的目的不是废除或限制自由,而是保护和扩大自由。这是因为在一切能够接受法律支配的人类的状态中,哪里没有法律,哪里就没有自由。”

People often say, ‘money is the source of all evil’. This is no doubt meant to slander and defile money. Yet, Bill Gates of that rich but enemy state has not only given the world excellent software, but a huge charity as well. Looking back at all the tragedies of human history, the true conclusion might just ought to be “power without constraint is the source of all evil”. And the most effective constraint on power, the most effective safeguard of society, is nothing other than the invaluable rule of law. Like Locke said, “the end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom. For in all the states of created beings, capable of laws, where there is no law there is no freedom.”

[匿名] 路人衣 [88.165.120.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:00:56
其实。。我也经常说 我党。。。

Actually, I often say it myself: The Party…

[匿名] 呛你 [218.58.10.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:05:19
我党常出金牌教练

The Party creates a lot of gold-winning coaches

[匿名] 两大法宝 [218.98.33.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:11:39
劳教与污蔑是我党的两大法宝

Re-education through labor and defilement are The Party's two biggest magic weapons.

[匿名] 白咏冰 [65.49.14.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:18:44
是因为申请游行被劳教的。

They got re-education through labor because they applied to protest.

[匿名] 怎么办? [203.97.213.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:29:57
反华媒体又在到处报道这个消息了。。。

There go anti-China media again reporting this news all over…

[匿名] bw [58.38.221.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:55:14
[匿名] 怎么办? [203.97.213.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:29:57
反华媒体又在到处报道这个消息了。。。
———————-
反个p华,是反土共。

There go anti-China media again reporting this news all over…
–Anti-China my ass, they're just anti-CCP [17].

[匿名] 做中国人的悲哀 [58.217.180.*] @ 2008-8-21 18:56:52
做中国人真悲哀

Such sorrow to be Chinese

Such a weighty topic, can anyone recommend any well-thought-out blog posts looking at the movement in China to abolish ‘re-education through labor’ as an official form of punishment?