Taiwan: What is the dream we have in the Olympic Game?
When China holds the 2008 Olympic Game and said “one world, one dream,” what do we expect for this dream?
Schumann explained the origin of the Olympic torch:
古代希臘人在奧運舉辦前,會按宗教儀式,在奧林匹亞宙斯神廟前的祭壇上點燃火種， […]火炬手高舉火炬,一邊奔跑,一邊呼喊：停止一切戰爭,參加運動會。
火炬傳到哪，哪的戰火就熄滅了。[…]人們忘記了仇恨,忘記了戰爭,都奔向奧林匹亞參加奧林匹克運動會。
久而久之，火炬這個本來用來傳遞信號的工具，便成了和平、光明與友誼的象征。
However, Schumann said,
原本具有神聖意義的奧運聖火,卻被中國搞得像過街老鼠,
中國, 污辱了聖火。
Many Taiwanese discuss if we should boycott the Olympic torch due to China government's records of repressing human right. AW talked what is the goal for China government to hold the Olympic Game：
舉辦奧運變成了中共向全世界展示其「合法性」[…]當奧運場上人們盡情歡呼的時候，在中共黑暗的監獄裡，可能良心犯們正在被折磨得痛苦的呻吟；當西方政要在開幕式上給予中共足夠面子用來貼金的時候，中共正下定決心一定要把共產黨獨裁專制永遠延續下去。
Door and window discussed who should take the responsibility for letting the Olympic torch be tarnished?
世界各國的領袖…..才是讓聖火蒙塵的主因…..
平日以民主自傲的國家那去了???
以自由為榮的國家哪去了???
自稱世界警察的傢伙呢….是癱瘓了嗎???
也好….讓全世界看清楚….
道德的糖衣….在強權面前….全都瓦解殆盡….
Where are the countries proud to be democratic?
Where are the countries proud to be free?
Where are the countries called as world police? Are they paralyzed?
That's fine. We can see how their sweet cover of morality diminishes before powerful autocracy.
doctor61 is surprised by how this Olympic torch is being relayed:
一個國家辦奧運，搞到要動員海外學生華人保護聖火，甚至由中國主動派安全人員出國保護，實在也是創舉了。
On the other hand, many people are surprised by how people supporting Tibet can evoke the boycott of the Olympic torch. forumvisitor commented,
圖博人在海外的人數應該沒台灣人數多，可是他們能爭取到的國際友人的聲援能量, 我自己覺得真的很驚人。我覺得我們要好好學習, 至少要盡量幫忙保護這個可能的盟友。
Door and window supported the boycott:
奧運聖火的繞境…幾天看下來…
真的有不少感慨…..
中國鎮壓西藏的當時….抵制聖火的言論根本聽不到…..
新加坡甚至….變相支持…挖勒…
但….幸好正義沒有完全消失….
支持人權的民眾站出來之後….
各國也紛紛表態不參加開幕式…..
唉…..人民若不以行動發聲…..就真的沒聲音了……
When China government was repressing Tibet, we did not hear a thing about boycotting the Olympic torch.
Singapore was even supporting China government's action. Sigh.
However, justice does not disappear.
After people supporting human right come forward, many leaders said they will not go to the Olympic opening ceremony.
Sigh. If we do not voice through our action, there is no voice.
mobobeijing2008 thought Taiwan should join the boycott:
台灣長期遭受中國武力的威嚇[…]在2008北京奧運舉辦之前，大家應掌握這個關鍵時刻，共同參與跨國界的抵制行動[…]呼籲中國，不應「右手舉聖火、左手抓飛彈」[…]而應該公開承諾，放棄以武力解 決台灣問題。
When the boycott becomes a serious matter to China, China government asks people not to mix politics and athletics. However, this request does not sell.
johnnio said,
中國過去有幾年都因為政治問題不參加奧運，現在反而喊很大聲，要政治歸政治，體育歸體育。中國人的雙重標準果然博大精深 。
no justice argued,
政治歸政治？ 那台灣要加入世界衛生組織, 非政治機構, 他們在哭夭什麼？
Boycott of the 2008 Beijing Olympic Game is not only a political issue. It is about what dream people all over the world want to share with each other.
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“R. Elgin”, OK, let’s leave the credibility issue of your professor friend as it is.
As to the S. Korean media, I don’t think they are in a good position to pick on the so-called Chinese nationalism.
I simply don’t believe that as a nation who shamelessly and unscrupulously claim many Chinese historical heritages as their own, AND teach their kids distorted history about the territories of their ancient empires, the S. Koreans stand in a justifiable position to comment on the “Chinese nationalism”.
If you bother to check the Chinese blogosphere, you will find that nowadays amongst our neighbours Japan is becoming more and more welcomed as a country. They do still have a few cheeseheads running around inciting hatred but the general public there are getting much more reasonable. Whereas the Koreans are just never taken seriously as to what they say/do. They are just a joke, most of the time.
I’m now in Shanghai. We have lots of S. Korean students here in my uni, which is nationally prestiged. They are always the noisiest, the most unscrupulous and the most unpopular ones here.
If somebody, during the demonstration in Seoul, broke the law of S. Korea, they should be subjected to the local court of justice. The so-called riot started all because some people from either the pro-Tibet group or the pro-N.Korea Runaway group started the flame and physically challenged some Chinese students.
Speculations here don’t help, not at all.
>HK was leased out for 99 years.
Nope, the New Territories were leased out for 99 years. Hong Kong Island was ceded “in perpetuity”.
plus4chan is a pretender to be Chinese, he’s not! He’s one of Bush and Pelosi’s puppets!
and knights,ur chinese freind and wei are puppets of the CPP
if knights is allowed to say plus4chan is a “pretender” , than it works both ways. i see three people on this site who are always saying the same old tired argument about how the world is picking on china. they are knights, wei and ur chinese freind. why do they keep coming back to make sure they have the last word? i think they are speaking for the CPP. it is so obvious!
LOL Eugene…It’s no fun if you have to make a second post explaining yourself :)
It is interesting I made the list ;) The people who debate with me on Chinese sites are going to have a great laugh about your post as I am just about as CCP hostile as one can get.
This is the point that you guys missed completely…In this Olympic/Tibet issue, a majority of ordinary Chinese are well represented, wether they like CCP or not. The typical “we are not anti government but not anti Chinese people” argument is a failed tag line. A majority of Chinese do not want a quarter of their territory be carved out and lost because a deposed “living god” decides to play western politics.
To all the dear Chinese friends,
It’s our great honor to have you join this interesting discussion. It would be even greater if you can provide evidence when you make a claim about “the majority of Chinese.” Thanks.
By the way, since we discuss anonymously here, it would be funny to say someone is a “pretender” based only on imagination.
Ifan…
What I wrote in reply to your similar post on other thread:
As far as going against the majority of the Chinese people, this is a feeling, the same as you don’t need the polls to tell you that Bush is unpopular in US. You or the well meaning people may choose to not believe this and still believe these protests are levied only against the CCP and not against the people of China; that is your choice; but ignoring that does no good for whatever goals you might want to reach. All my friends who were protesting against the Chinese government in 1989 are entirely on the side of promoting Olympics this time; some of them I know who have terrible things done to them by the CCP in the past. That says a lot.
Thanks for the info, Wei.
I did not question a specific point, but for our general discussion. If anyone wants to say something, he or she speaks for him/her-self, but if someone wants to say “the majority,” it’s better to provide proof for other people to think about the situation.
If you want to discuss a specific case like the protests in several countries, I agree there were many Chinese supporting these activities due to patriotism, and this is why I wrote another report about some Chinese reflecting the patriotism we saw in these activities.
I like the title of this Blog ” what is the dream we have in the Olympic games ?” by I-fan rather “China: Curse of the Olympic mascots? ” by JK, which is meaningless to me.
May all the positive and good dreams come True, keep up with good dreams !!!!