China: Fallout from the Free Tibet protests

Global Voices Olympics April 15 update:

Harassment of Wang Qianyuan has gone off-line, and in fact precedes this post by several weeks. Also, a friend of Wang's at Duke University has written in directly:

I am a friend of the girl's and I was at the protest. The fenqing are going insane. I am meeting with Duke's president this afternoon, and it looks like the FBI will become involved. Her parent's apartment in Qingdao was attacked with rocks, and they are in hiding (I have confirmed this in direct communication with her mother). This all started on the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association website. They started posting “TIBET WAS, IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE CHINA'S” messages a month ago.
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Because all the information about her and her parent's addresses and calls to do violence were posted on the Duke list, it is being considered criminal incitement to violence. What a mess. The saddest thing is that she's a sweet naive kid, and she did nothing but cross over to “enemy lines” and talk to her Tibetan dorm mate, and try to initiate some kind of dialogue…

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Original post:

While China was subject to ritual humiliation this past week as the Olympic torch was relayed, ignoring the seemingly obvious, through Europe and North America, nationalism quickly boiled over and anyone hoping for an objective discussion on Tibet, even one of the most well-known journalists in the country, is now a race traitor.

So if this week's Free Tibet protests were successful, does that make the silencing of many liberal voices within China acceptable collateral damage?

The human flesh search engines, helped no doubt by the ‘wu mao dang’ have gone into serious overdrive; one mainland Chinese woman now studying at Duke University was seen by other overseas Chinese students participating in a Free Tibet protest. What was possibly for her just an attempt to bridge some sort of discussion has led to torrents of horrid abuse and at least one lengthy human flesh search engine witch hunt, on popular forum website Tianya, which began on April 10:

作者:Bejing_2008_ 提交日期:2008-4-10 17:01:00
  
在SF的奥运火炬接力顺利完成的同时,全美各地华人华侨留学生也都给予了北京奥运最热烈的支持,然而在今天的DUKE大学留学生的支持奥运反对藏独的集会游行中,青岛2中毕业的王同学竟然与藏独支持分子同流合污,毅然抛弃事实,站在藏独分子的一边,宣扬西藏人权问题,赤裸裸打着free tibet的旗号,实在给中国人民丢脸,在场的几百留学生都目睹了其罪恶行径.王千源–如果说某些美国人算作无知,那你呢?你这样的崇洋媚外的嘴脸是要永远被中国人民所不耻!

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Carolinas/31158646.html

Author: Beijing_2008

At the same time that the Olympic torch relay was smoothly completed in San Francisco, ethnic Chinese and Chinese overseas students from different places all across America gave the Beijing Olympics their strongest support, and as overseas students at Duke University gathered today for a protest to support the Olympics and oppose Tibetan independence, Qingdao #2 Middle School graduate classmate Wang actually mired herself in with those supporters of Tibetan independence, completely abandoning the truth, and stood on the side of the Free Tibetters, trumpeting Tibetan human rights issues, baldly calling for a free Tibet, effectively embarrassing the Chinese people, with her evil sins witnessed personally by several hundred overseas students at the scene. Wang Qianyuan: if those Americans are just acting out of ignorance, then what about you? That foreign toady face of yours will always be a shameless one to the Chinese people!

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Carolinas/31158646.html

Following that intro are now eleven pages of comments:

作者:zeng_1985 回复日期:2008-4-10 17:59:19 

虽然没看到图,但听说有这种人就愤慨!

Even though I haven't seen the pictures, I resent even hearing about someone like this!

作者:shhbf 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:06:33 

应该全文转。
  
这个家伙,估计是被利益冲昏了头。不晓得他父母亲戚是不是也都转移出国了,也不想想自己的所作所为会影响多少人。

This should be spread around.

This guy, he must be dizzy with confusion. I don't know if his parents and relatives have all emigrated too, but hasn't he thought about just how many people will be affected by his actions?

作者:小杨不不 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:09:04 

上图 啊!

Show us the photos!

作者:iambic 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:10:25 

没什么说的,直接无视了。以后都别让这条狗接近至5米以内

Nothing worth saying, just ignore it. But don't ever let this dog get within five meters of me.

作者:超级实验台 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:14:00 

什么情况?
楼主飞了?
淘点证据出来啊–我去磨刀

What's the deal?
Did the post author take off?
Dig up some proof–I'll start sharpening the knife

作者:iambic 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:17:18 

那个啥,驻美使馆黑名单别忘了再加一个

Why that little….don't forget to add another name to the Chinese embassy's blacklist

作者:药罐子里的椰子 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:24:07 

他可以去死了。不知廉耻的家伙。

He can go die. This impudent guy.

作者:zlyuki 回复日期:2008-4-10 18:25:50 

这个要顶

+1 this

作者:蓝色秋裤 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:04:11 

+1

作者:同样的故事 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:13:48 

天哪
青岛2中的
太丢人了
就地处决吧

Heavens..
Qingdao #2 Middle School
Makes us lose so much face
Shoot her where she stands

作者:超级实验台 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:27:48 

她?

Her?
xin_2106042904172962103411.jpg

作者:推倒推倒 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:37:56 

上去把~
  
我就是要当网络暴民~
  
好好整整这样的人~~

Put the photo up~

I always wanted to be a net-thug~

I'll set her nice and straight~

作者:ntpilgrim 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:40:27 

真的吗,一定要弄清楚。

Really? We need to figure this out.

作者:艹头 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:43:31 

不会吧,楼主要拿出证据说话。

Can't be…if you're going to say this, you need to show some proof.

作者:超级实验台 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:46:33 

楼主人呢?!

Where'd you go?!

作者:durand 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:46:39 

通报国安局、中国大使馆、当地政府

Notify the Ministry of State Security, the Chinese embassy, her local government

作者:二狗和三胖 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:48:31 

拜托,别挟私报复啊,网民不都是瞎子啊

Puhleez, don't bring your personal revenge here, the netizens aren't that blind!

作者:lightscriteria 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:51:30 

一辈子嫁不出去!!!

She'll never get married out now!!!

作者:飘青 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:52:31 

不是吧!!真是青岛的吗?这下厉害找到根,哈哈还是天涯的 搜索引擎厉害啊!!哈哈!!强强!!不知道他家里人知道不,孩子在外面没人管了,会迷路的!

No way!! Is he really from Qingdao? This is way too much, haha, good old Tianya human flesh search engines!! Haha!! Strong strong!! Didn't his parents know their kid would get lost being abroad and nobody looking after him!

作者:wangxiaowenly 回复日期:2008-4-10 19:59:29 

以后可能只有嫁给喇嘛的份了~

She'll only be able to marry one of the Lamaists now~

作者:xuxuming123 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:06:10 

看来也只有婊子喜欢喇嘛了,希望不是她.

Seems that only bitches like Lamas, I hope she's not one.

作者:lawyerhuyue 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:11:27 

召唤人肉引擎!!

Call the human flesh search engines!!

作者:lint金帛 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:15:33 

是不是给洋鬼子日多了?怎么出了这样的垃圾

Maybe she's been fucked by too many foreign devils? Where does such trash come from?

作者:hyngng 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:16:00 

总会有些人头脑不清醒的

There'll always be some people whose minds just aren't clear

作者:yqh1001 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:18:41 

关键要有证据!
不冤枉一个好人,但也绝对不放过一个坏人!

What's important is proof!
We don't want to do any injustice to good people, but if she's bad, we must never let go!

作者:sevenqiqi 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:22:45 

消息确实可靠么?长的还算乖的嘴脸哎。。。

Is this information reliable? She looks obedient enough…

作者:wuhanlsx 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:24:22 

请通知中国海关,如发现她,立刻弊了她,如果她还有家人,请找到她的家人,把这种无耻的子女打死了,免得害了中国人。

Notify China Customs, that if they see her, get her right away, and if she still has family, find them, and beat their shameless children to death, so they don't hurt the Chinese people.

作者:红枫焱 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:27:37 

为她的父母感到悲哀,本来可以引以为傲的孩子成了卖国贼——不知道她想没想过自己的父母在国内会如何抬不起头来
人在做,天在看啊

I feel sorry for her parents, the child they should be feeling proud of turned out to be a traitor—I don't know if she thought about how her parents back home would have to be ashamed because of this

作者:ericxulove 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:33:28 

光说也没什么证据啊,贴出照片来才行啊……
大家冷静,别太过激,没凭没据的,就这么乱喊话也不对~
说不定她是被对她一直有偏见的某些人给利用了,胡乱诽谤,任由网友辱骂她来解气???

You're saying this but you don't have any proof! At least put up a photo, right…?
Everyone calm down, don't be so drastic, there's nothing to base this on, yelling and shouting like this is wrong~
You never know she might be being used by someone with something big against her, slandering her, getting netizens to curse her to vent their anger!!!

作者:同样的故事 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:36:25 

十有八九是真的,
是DUKE的留学生在MITBBS上发的
有代理可以上去看看

It's quite likely true
One overseas student at Duke put it up on the MIT bbs
If you have a proxy you can see it

作者:溢佳颐佳 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:38:24 

如果真是这样
  
就在她家所有亲戚的门口贴上“汉奸”两个字
  
以后对她家亲戚的称呼就是汉奸

If this is for real

I'm going to put the words “race traitor” up on all her relatives’ doors

Then her whole family will be called race traitors

作者:红枫焱 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:42:51 

哪位用代理的兄弟姐妹把那个帖子截图发过来好了

Any brothers or sisters with a proxy that can put those photos up here?

作者:红枫焱 回复日期:2008-4-10 20:56:14 

只有头像没有动作比较麻烦啊,这样不能证明她卖国啊,有没有拍到他宣传或者散发传单甚至举旗的镜头?

It's just her head she's not doing anything, that's not cool…this doesn't prove she's a traitor…don't you have any shots of her handing out fliers or raising a flag?

作者:天天坠涯 回复日期:2008-4-10 21:11:34 

她是不是打入敌人内部去了???

Do you think she's gone over to working for the enemy???

作者:巨鸡鸡 回复日期:2008-4-10 21:31:28 

让我日了她

Let me fuck her

作者:clover710 回复日期:2008-4-10 21:33:59 

汉奸!
卖国贼!
天理难容!
迟早全家遭天谴!

Race traitor!
Traitor!
Absolutely unacceptable!
Sooner or later your whole family will have to pay!

作者:四级士官 回复日期:2008-4-10 21:35:20 

贱妇汉奸,民族败类!

Slut race traitor, disgrace to our race!

作者:ggf7522 回复日期:2008-4-10 21:40:29 

不知道她的父母在不在中国,不知道她的父母现在还是不是中国人,如果还是中国人的话明天就应该找个粪坑跳下去淹死得了。

Are her parents still in China? Are her parents still even Chinese? If they're still Chinese, tomorrow I'm going to go jump in a manure pit and drown myself.

作者:我爱瓷器瓷器 回复日期:2008-4-10 22:19:56 

强烈呼吁大家先冷静!!!!
一定先要搞清楚事实,再来批评。如果不是汉奸,平白挂了这个最最可耻的名字,那可是天大的不白之冤哪!
  
就算这人真的这么无耻,大家鄙视她就是了,混绿卡嘛~,中国人这高贵的名号她也不配,我们欢送这样的人入籍美国还来不及呢。

I strongly demand everyone calm down now!!!!
We must first find out the facts, and then criticize. If she's not a race traitor, and we're calling her this most shameless of names for no reason, then what an enormous injustice this will have been!

Say she really is so shameless, then everyone can despise her, let her go for a green card for all we care, she won't be able to live up to the honorable name of a Chinese person, and we aren't able to send people like her off to get American citizenship fast enough.

作者:ccyanlove 回复日期:2008-4-10 22:22:13 

如果是真的,啥也别说了,直接把她灭掉。

If this is true, there's nothing worth say, just take her straight out.

作者:zxmm123456789 回复日期:2008-4-10 22:27:52 

好样的王同学,可惜我在大陆只能精神支持你,

Good classmate Wang, unfortunately I'm on the mainland so I can only support you in spirit.

作者:凌小呆子 回复日期:2008-4-10 22:27:58 

支持什么关你屁事啊!

What bloody business is it of yours to support her!

作者:xiaohuafox 回复日期:2008-4-10 22:30:48 

mit上的确有这个帖子!!
人名没错!

This thread was definitely up on the MIT bbs!!
The name is right!

作者:陈先进 回复日期:2008-4-10 22:51:19 

楼主不是个东西
证据呢?

The author of this is something else
Is there any proof?

作者:不倒霉会死星人 回复日期:2008-4-10 23:13:25 

报国安成不???有没有足够的证据啊????

Has the Ministry of State Security been notified yet??? Is there enough evidence????

The slander, vituperative and death threats continue in blasts, punctuated by the occasional call for proof of her “crime,” until it finally starts to appear toward the end of page two:

wang3.jpg

Followed shortly after by someone claiming to have been at the Duke U protest that day:

作者:antizangdu 回复日期:2008-4-11 6:10:18 

我当时就在现场, 中国学生集会在杜克西校区举行, 总共有400人左右. 藏独本科生们从东校区沿着campus drive 一直跑到西校区, 在这个过程中, 一直有警察护送. 大概有十几个中国学生,学者,穿了”我的中国心”以及”北京奥运”的tshirt,护了一面很大的国旗, 一直跑在藏独的前面一两米处. 他们到了杜克西校区以后, 首先绕场跑了一周, 然后跑上了杜克大学大教堂的台阶上.在这段时间里, 我们一直有红旗围着他们,并问他们有没有去过西藏, 有没有去过中国, 其中大部分藏独都不吭声, 有一个美国小伙说他去过四个月….由于他们事先reserve了教堂前的位置,从晚上7点半到9点, 在他们上了教堂的阶梯以后, 中国学生和学者都在离最下一节台阶两米左右, 国旗在最前面的地方大家一起高唱国歌. 所有在国旗外面的人都是藏独的人. 学校校报的记者在他们身后拍照 照片相当的误导,而且已经刊登在今天校报的头条.

照片..网上的照片太小 http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper884/stills/rv87o3x3.jpg
  
这个小丫头就在包围圈的中间, 作出了这样的手势, 后面就有藏独的人在拍照 就是以下这张照片
http://www.mitbbs.com/article2/SanFrancisco/31322350_240.jpg
  
拍照的人就是楼上(雪印轻盈)那张大照片,最右边那面国旗边上蹲下照相的哪个人
  
小丫头真是为了出名,连自己的国家都卖了.
  
我不会贴照片,大家帮个忙 把照片贴上, 留个证据

让中国人闭嘴?

I was there at the scene. Chinese students gathered on the west side of the Duke campus to demonstrate, about 400 people in total. The Free Tibet undergrads ran along Campus Drive from the east side of campus to the west side, escorted by police the whole time. There were a dozen or so Chinese students and academics wearing “My Chinese Heart” and “Beijing Olympics” t-shirts, carrying a huge national flag, running two meters ahead of the Free Tibetters. Once they arrived at the west side of Duke campus, first they did a big loop, then ran up onto the steps of the main Duke hall. During this short time, we kept them surrounded with the red flags, asking them if they'd ever been to Tibet, if they'd ever been to China. Most of the Free Tibetters just kept quiet. One little American guy said he'd been for four months…because they were first to reserve the spot in front of the hall, from 7 that night until 9:30, after they went up on the steps to the hall, the Chinese students and academics stayed just two meters in front of the steps, keeping the national flags at the very front as we sang the national anthem loudly. All the people beyond the flags were Free Tibetters. Reporters from the campus paper were taking photos from behind them, photos which were relatively misleading, but made the cover story of today's campus newspaper.

The photo: the one online is too small: http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper884/stills/rv87o3x3.jpg

That little girl just stood in the middle, making this post, and the Free Tibetters behind her kept taking pictures, like this one:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article2/SanFrancisco/31322350_240.jpg

That girl, just to get some attention, was even willing to betray her country

I can't post photos, can everyone help me? Post the photos, show the proof.

Make us Chinese shut up?

Shortly after that comment, someone posted a link to a video from the Duke protest and counter-protest:

作者:心台几点 回复日期:2008-4-11 8:03:07 

大家都看视频
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4J6nfyb-3k
5:16开始有王千源,很明显她是站在绝大多数的中国学生的对立面的
视频里有一段讲的挺清楚地
  
7:05的时候,几个同学围着她,质问她为什么打藏 独 旗 ,为什么不打五星红旗
    
7:27 她狡辩说香港也有旗
——————–
  
人肉!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Everyone watch this video:


Wang Qianyuan comes out at 5:16, and she's clearly standing opposite the vast majority of the Chinese students.

There's one spot in the video that's quite clear

At 7:05, a few classmates surround her, asking why she's calling for Tibetan independence, and not waving the red five-star flag

At 7:27 she retorts by saying that Hong Kong has a flag too.

Flesh engines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The video above is first posted on page two; the first of several guesses at Wang's US phone number is posted early on page three, and other Chinese Duke students appear to join in there, at which point there's a brief history debate, then after the majority of the language only becomes more violent from there until the end of the thread, which as of posting continues to grow.

Wang's national identity card number and parent's address and phone number back in China are posted on page six, around which time links to even larger spin-off threads begin to appear on the Tianya thread.

wang4.jpg

710 comments

  • […] Is this going to put a break on further political liberalisation in China?  In short, as John Kennedy at Global Voices Online has succinctly put it: have the pro-Tibet protestors made the silencing of many liberal voices […]

  • Dan

    “The Chinese media spin the story as anti-Chinese riots instead of anti-government riots. They try to make it something against the Chinese people. It is not against the Chinese people.”
    —Tsering Wangdu Shakya, Chair in Modern Tibetan Studies, University of British Columbia

  • Guest

    How is this NOT nationalism? This couldn’t be any less linked to widespread nationalist sentiments amongst Chinese youth these days.

    Quite honestly I have no problem what they do in China, but when their immigrants protest our policies on our soil, that’s a different matter entirely. The fact is that there ARE a lot of Chinese, and the western world IS concerned.

  • Dylan

    It interesting to observe perhaps that as she switches into Chinese, many more people are willing to engage her and listen as she makes each of her points.

    The problem is that the whole Free Tibet movement has NEVER attempted to directly talk to ordinary Chinese people. That’s why they’re doomed to failure… this year they’ve managed to end up in the bizarre situation of having the CCP crack down on them with restraint relative to the way in which ordinary middle class Chinese are baying for their blood.

  • tingting

    an article to share

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    前天,我写下了《我身为藏族,可我为我的某些同胞感到不齿》一文。一是为劝我的同学不要做傻事,二是我作为知道藏区事情的部分真相像人,我有责任以及义务向国际友人表达我们藏族人对这件事情的心态。不要一味的听信那些所谓的媒体的谎言。

    今天早上,我看了国家新闻部门对于西藏问题的记者招待会,对西方记者怀疑的地方我很愤怒,我华夏民族中的一员——藏族,再不争气,我们也不可能忘记我们的恩人。并分裂我们整个中华民族。今天我写下以下文章,以表达我们藏族人的心态,当然我知道哪怕我的声音再弱小,但我相信,我们整个中华民族数以千万计的弱小声音汇集在一起将以洪水般那样凶猛,将西方媒体的谣言冲碎,将他覆灭。

    首先以下一段话告西方媒体

    今天你们质问了我们的国家新闻部,有的问题我想我作为一个老百姓更有资格来回答你们。

    1.西藏人的不自由与人权问题

    我想问你们,你们从哪里知道了我们的不自由?如果没有证据请不要乱说话。我们享受了比其他民族更多的优惠待遇,我们享受着社会的一切福利待遇,我们哪里不自由?我们藏族人再愚蠢,也不会受到你们的挑拨让我中华民族分裂。我们的阿米(爷爷)说:天上的老鹰要受巢穴的束缚,不管他非了多远总会想着自己的巢穴,地上的牛羊要受牧人的束缚,无论他怎么驰骋于草原他总要回圈。阿米没文化,对自由的理解却是那么的朴实,我们华夏民族乃至世界的所以民族我想都知道这个道理,要想风筝飞的高,那么线一定不能断,我们藏族人由衷的感谢你们西方的媒体,但我们自由,我们有人该有的权利,我们藏族人的生活像风筝一样越飞越高,可有人却希望剪断我们的线,让我们在中国共产党带领下得到的幸福落入深渊,你们为什么不指责这些人?他们在毁掉我们藏族人的生活!你们听达赖说,听一些不知道真相的外国人说,你们有听过我们发自内心的话吗?

    我给你们讲个故事吧!

    昨天,我的金金大爸来成都了,还带了几个乡亲,他们是来成都购买一些必要的生活用品。大爸问起我,色若已经好久没回家了,家里很担心。他在像我询问他的情况,我没说我强忍了眼泪,我不忍告诉他,色若现在的情况,因为我不知道他的生死。后来我告诉了他,现在你们西方媒体说我们的一些事情,大爸没有发怒很温和的说:我们藏族人,不会忘记国家的恩情,我们藏族人这次丢了这么大的脸,乡亲们没脸见国家了,家里出了这样的人,我们自己会收拾他们的,大爸哽咽着说不出话了,继续说道:色若他们几个没良心呀,去年国家还给我们家乡了一笔治大脖子病的钱,家乡好些人都医好了,羊都知道感恩,难道我们藏族人连畜生还不如…..。

    告诉你们西方的白人,什么叫真正的人权,什么叫真正的平等,把国家帮助我们无数的事情中拿出一小件,我想也足够堵住你们的嘴巴。去年,阿坝州的州长在成都募捐了一笔给家乡人民治疗大脖子病的钱,还带来了很多医生。给家乡得了大脖子病的老人治病,国家考虑到我们藏族人的自尊,让那些干部医生去藏民的家里去帮他们治疗,做完后藏民要给钱,他们只这样说了句:国家要治好你的病,不是需要你的钱,需要你们把牲口喂好,为国家建设做贡献。再对比你们西方呢?只要是帮助百姓的,你们总大打着旗号说:我们去帮助穷人了,生怕世界上不知道你们做好事了,可你们有考虑到那些受帮助的穷人的感受了吗?他们会认为自己比别人差,比别人穷,地位也是最低下的。可我们的国家拿出了这么多的钱,考虑我们的感受,只说了句:建设国家,也就是说,我们并不可怜,我们也是国家的栋梁,那真正的鼓舞着我们藏族人。我们知道我们也是国家的栋梁。

    2.教育与学习

    你们总说西方的教育水平好,说中国政府对西藏及藏区的教育是世界上最落后的地区之一认为中国政府在歧视藏族人,我告诉你为什么藏族地区教育落后的真正原因吧!

    我们藏区既然是中国的一员,国家也是平等的对待了我们,建立很多的学校,我们的其他兄弟民族自己募捐钱来给我们建立希望小学,你们也许会问,那为什么你们的文盲比例还是那么高。我告诉你,那是达赖利用了我们藏族人对宗教的信仰,达赖在每个寺庙设立学堂(主要学习藏文和佛经及藏族典故),你要知道那是世界上最落后的教学方式,达赖开始还愿意让学生去学国家统一的教育,后来他就取消了,所有去寺庙学习的小喇嘛不能学习中文教育,如果要学那么你的弟弟就不能去寺庙,老一辈因为对佛的信仰很是崇拜,因为自己的崇拜就这样被达赖剥夺了学生们学习文化的机会。你们为什么不指责达赖?你们为什么不让他主动取消学堂,让学生回到学校去?这才是你们真正应该呼吁的。

    3.经济与收入

    你们说,达赖集团闹独立是因为他们希望带领藏族人富强并自由,我告诉你藏族人纯牧的至少有80%以上是很富裕的,半农半牧的至少有60%以上也是很富裕的,我们的人均收入可以达到2万人民币。那你也许会问,那为什么还是那么贫困!我可以告诉你达赖是怎么掠夺百姓的财富的。

    他随便的封一个忠诚于他的喇嘛为活佛,然后活佛就开始讲经颂道,藏族人对宗教的信仰是很强烈的,一早聚集在寺庙上,然后活佛坐在寺庙的大堂上,民众排着队的等待让活佛摸一下脑袋以得到祝福,也想得到活佛开封的码尼绳绳(就一个红色布带子),拿着自己买牛买羊得来的钱,一捆一捆的仍进募捐箱里(说是募捐箱其实是一个大箩筐,由两个喇嘛抬着收钱)然后活佛就这么走了,什么也没做。民众辛苦得来的钱就这样被掠夺走了。可达赖却什么也没为百姓做,民众没了钱当地政府为了民众生计就开始像中国政府要钱,也就是说我们的努力全给了这个白眼狼。当然我们的老一辈是出于自己的宗教自由,就算他把所有的收入捐献给了寺庙,那也是他自己的自由。

    但现在80年代以后的藏族小伙子开始当家,他们不崇拜喇嘛,他们明白自己该怎么过活,寺庙的收入越来越少,达赖的经济收入也越来越少,他现在想独立,是因为他想继续奴隶化80年代以后的百姓,他想继续吸我们的血,所以他暴乱想夺取政治,奴化我们。从发生的事情中我们对达赖失望了,不,应该是憎恨。他的宗旨是:你信仰我,那你就把你的收入给我,我让你苟且的活着。你要不信我,那我就统治后继续让你苟且的活。

    我们藏族人不是狗,我们是顶天立地的人,我们要真正的自由。我们不想继续被达赖剥削!我们爱我们自己的国家,爱我们的政府,但我们憎恨达赖。

    西方的媒体你们知道了事情的真相了吗?不知道的话请随便问一个藏族人,他会告诉你他想怎么活,他会自豪的告诉你,他是让你们害怕的顶天立地的中国人。
    我们和达赖只是藏族内部的事情,藏族是华夏民族的一员,华夏民族有权利因为我们同祖同宗但你们有什么权利干涉我们的事情?政府一向很和平,要换了我藏族人,你乱说话只会打碎你的狗牙齿,让你从此闭上你的狗嘴巴。

    告网特

    昨天我有幸拜读了你们的文章《在西藏我拣回一条命》,你们说我们藏族人很野蛮,我告诉你那是有血性,你们作为一个中国人,一天去了解那些喇嘛,他们给你说他们被怎么怎么了,你就写的漫天都是还添油加醋,我问你你去采访本拉登,他会说我是恐怖组织,我在杀百姓吗?我想他会说,我们正在被世界上的所有国家迫害,为了民族他们会奋起反抗。但事实呢?所以你这样做得到的后果我想我们整个中华大地上的人民都会拍手称快,只恨没把你打死!你在公开的为这些叛乱份子说好话,我们被压迫并虐待的人绝对会打断你的手。我们藏族人热情,对朋友那是欢迎的好酒好肉的招待,对破坏我们团结的人我们也是热情的,我们好拳好脚的招待你。

    达赖组织不是人,我没什么文化也就高中毕业,但我识字,世界人任何一个为自己民族争取利益的组织绝对不会伤害自己的人民,可达赖却为了自己,他烧我们的商店,砸我们的房子,迫害我们的同胞,我们不可能相信一个专门杀自己人的组织会给我们带来什么幸福什么自由,我们在抗争,我们抗争的是那些叛乱分子,我们在欢迎我们欢迎的是为我们争取自由的,中华好男儿——解放军和人民警察。

    我可以不忌讳的告诉你们,我们家乡壮年男子都在斗争,他们在巡夜,他们只要发现了叛乱份子想破坏我们的家园我们就超死的打,就像打狗一样。哪怕他是藏族人,他们只是败类!

  • Ping

    You “conveniently” ignored many posts that object personal attack as below. If you did on purpose, then you are fooling the people here; if no, then you already have a paradigm against china.

    楼主 大 中 小 发表于 2008-4-11 20:43
    对于王千源和其家人,大家要保持理智!
    我觉得,对于王千源的所作所为和她的父母,大家一定要理智对待。特别是在国内青岛生活的王的父母,大家更加要理智加以区别。也许目前王的所作所为,她的父母还不是太清楚,我们一定要清楚这一点,王千源是王千源,她父母是她父母,王支持藏独,不代表她的父母也在支持藏独。所以,应该先让有关部门了解清楚相关情况,也应该给她父母一点时间,去调查事情的来龙去脉。我们应该相信王的父母,在大是大非面前能够作出正确的选择!!!
    楼主 大 中 小 发表于 2008-4-11 22:39
    坚决反对对王千源家人的攻击!
    王千源的言行应该由她自己来负责。她的家人是无辜的。呼吁网友不要株连她的家人。恐吓和漫骂不是战斗。
    楼主 大 中 小 发表于 2008-4-11 20:24
    为王千源说几句话,希望大家理解。

    今天看了王千源的录像,因为我是青岛的,而且我老婆恰恰也是青岛2中毕业的,于是我们探讨了一番。
    首先王千源毕竟是大一的小女生,而且在学校一直是一帆风顺,是意气风发,不知道天多高地多厚的时代,这种学生骨子里总有一种要超俗的倾向,认识自己就比别人水平高,加上对资本主义的向往以及本身喜欢从事政治倾向,特别是在国内她周围的环境一切向钱看官僚腐败因此她感觉不是很民主很自由的,当到了西方,被西方的文明吸引,因此倒向西方也是可以理解的。我也是过来人,在89年也向往西方的民主,也上街游行高喊打到腐败,我自己问自己我当年不爱国家吗?肯定是爱国的。今天我们能说一个小女孩是汉奸吗?帽子太大了。

    现在我是理解国家利益民族利益是高于一切的,表面上是藏独,实际上是颠覆中国而已,甚至那些藏独份子都可能是被利用的。

    对于王千源的错误,我们可以批评,但是说她是汉奸,太过了,毕竟是中国的孩子,我们希望她能理解,能我整体上看小问题,而不是钻牛角尖。

    当然如果她加入了美国什么组织,或者受到某某组织的资助有意那样说,那就另当别论了,那就是卖国了。

    不过我不太相信她是那样的,毕竟她是一个有理想有追求的好学生。希望她能醒悟。知道什么是真正的政治,而不是现在这样傻呼呼的还不知道自己闯了多大

  • wendy

    Personally I think she have the write to say whatever she want…HOWEVER, what she did wrong is on a TV-interview, she claimed that her opinion represents most Chinese, which is clearly NOT the case.

    Also, as far as I know there has not been any violent attacks against her person. If her fellow classmates decides to dislike her, isn’t it their RIGHT to do so? After all, I have never heard of a law obliging people to “like” someone they don’t like.

  • wendy

    to Tsering Wangdu Shakya,

    How can we not take it as against Chinese people when those terrorists are slaughtering random people on the street? I don’t see them checking if the victim works for the government or not before they beat/burn them to death.

    Attacking Olympics torch bearers is not only going against Chinese people, it’s going against the whole world. Also, your friends at BBC, CNN, etc. are really not helping your case when they keep reporting on “anti-Chinese/anti-China” protests.

  • @Ping I don’t know where you found those comments, but quite clearly they’re not from the Tianya post linked to above.

    @Wendy Hopefully not, but images like this are now being posted, and if I were her I’d be feeling quite threatened. Also, if you visit page 12 of the Tianya post, there’s more proof that people are stalking around her parents’ house here: 作者:辩论到底 回复日期:2008-4-14 7:17:51 

  • Ping

    John,
    Appreciate for your open-mind. Those posts are from http://WWW.ANTI-CNN.COM, where you can find more and I personaly think it’s a good window to understand chinese. As for the abusive posts on TianYa, I believe most of them are from those young “punks” and it’s not the mainstream. I don’t think there will be a war, but still, the only way to stop war is to break through the barriers and have more communications between grass-rooted people rather than politicians. Technologies have makes it possible, now it’s our minds that decides the future–war, or peace. Thank you!

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