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China: Nailhouse 2: Residents fight back

Remember the Chongqing “most awesome nailhouse” from earlier this year? It seems now there's a whole nailbuilding, Awesome Building, in affluent coastal Zhejiang province‘s Shengzhou city. Some interesting pro-government opinions in response to allegations of police brutality earlier this week. Mention is made of related posts on other BBSes having been deleted; speaking of which, all comments at time of publishing were translated save one spam advertisement unrelated to the incident which was omitted. Via Paowang BBS, from Chinese search engine Baidu's message forums:


[转贴]中国最牛的楼还数浙江嵊州

China's most awesome building, Shengzhou, Zhejiang (reposted)

说起这个牛楼,可以堪比重庆的牛楼了.它地处在浙江省嵊州市市山路7号!它确实像一枚刺眼的”钉子”。格格不入的”钉”在嵊州市中心文化广场一角,与高高耸立在旁边的十八层气派的市政府大楼形成了鲜明的对比.
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作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:22   回复此发言

Author: Uncle Everpower 10:22 pm, June 19, 2007
Speaking of this ‘Awesome Building’, it might even be more awesome than the Chongqing one. It's situated at Shengzhou city, Zhejiang province's #7 City Mountain Road! It definitely stands out like a “nail”. A nail sticking out of one corner of downtown Shengzhou's Culture Square, a vivid contrast to the towering 18-floor government tower sitting beside it.

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那么它为什么更牛呢?
一,户主已是90高龄的张姓老太
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:22   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
What's so much more awesome about this one?
1) One owner is a 90 year-old granny Zhang

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二,维护法律尊严,保护合法私有财产意识更强烈。他们一家人顶住了政府组织的约几百警察,消防,法院,城管,以及众多雇员等参与的强拆行动,使政府直接受损很大。
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:23   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
2) There's a much stronger consciousness of upholding the sanctity of the law, of protecting legal, privately-owned property. The whole family is withstanding the roughly several hundred police, firefighters, court staff and Urban Management workers organized by the government as well as many of its staff's attempts to forcefully tear the building down, making the damages done to the government quite large.

三,从2006年6月2日强拆开始,户主一家20多人被逼撤到房顶居住,酷暑时期被断水80多天,房屋设施多处被毁。并不时遭受到莫名的恐吓,以及不明捣乱,骚扰日常生活。其中包括90多岁高龄的张姓老太。
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:23   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
3) Since June 2, 2006 when the forced eviction from the house began, the twenty-odd home owners have been forced up onto the roof to live; despite the cruel heat, the water has been cut off for over eighty days; many houses’ installations have been destroyed. Further, receiving frequent inexplicable threats and intentional provocation has disrupted their daily lives. Among them is a ninety year-old grandmother named Zhang.

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四,持有全国人大常委会办公厅的”请接谈并督促有关部门依法处理”的信访函。
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:24   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
4) They are in possession of a letter from the office of the National People's Congress Standing Committee which reads: “please refer to the relevant department and deal with this according to the law.”

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也就是在昨天,这个一年以来一直是嵊州市标志性建筑物的牛楼,又再一次成为了市民的注意力的中心.
大量市民围在牛楼的周围,等着看警察是如何把着牛楼攻克的. 从下午开始,防暴警察全副武装想冲上这个牛楼.但都被牛楼的主人们用汽油弹一次一次打退.
围观的群众在喝倒彩. 警察只有先撤下来.打算持久战. 而牛楼上的人时刻警惕着…双方相持着...
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:26   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
Just yesterday, this Awesome Building, a landmark in Shengzhou for over a year, once again became the center of focus for city residents.
Large numbers of city residents surround the awesome building, waiting to see how the police will capture it. Starting yesterday afternoon, fully-armed riot police were ready to charge into the building but one-by-one were driven off by gasoline bombs used by the owners.
The crowds of spectators booed the police, who then dispersed. They plan to drag out the battle, but the people up on top of the ‘awesome building’ were on high alert…both sides are in stalemate…

而同时, 市内极有人气的门户网站—嵊州信息港 (www.sz.zj.cn)所属于的江南论坛(bbs.sz.zj.cn).也被市政府的宣传部门管制.不准网民发表关于牛楼的文章和信息.一发上来,一律就删除.对于这种钳制民声的做法这让广大网民们大为不满.
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:26   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
And at the same time, the high-volume portal website Shenzhou InfoAlley, which belongs to the Jiangnan Forum, is being controlled by the municipal government's propaganda department and is not allowing any netizens to post any information regarding The Awesome Building. The minute they're posted they all get deleted. This method of suppressing the people's voices has left the majority of netizens greatly unpleased.

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怜的老奶奶坚持站在烈日下准备以死相拼
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:27   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
The poor granny is staying strong and standing beneath the burning sun, prepared to die.

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战斗一直到晚上.围观的群众越来越多. 警察也越来越多.对所有周围的主要街道进行管制. 准备趁着天黑想把牛楼彻底摧毁.
群众也群情激愤….
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:27   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
The battle went on into the night. The crowd of spectators grew and grew. Numbers of police also grew and grew. Supervision began on the main surrounding roads. They were prepared to move in under the cover of dark and raze the Awesome Building to the ground. The crowd was joined through its fury…

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但直到今天,牛楼还在. 但不知道命运会如何.让我们拭目以待吧…
作者: 伯力恒 2007-6-19 22:28   回复此发言

Uncle Everpower:
But as of today the Awesome Building is still there. Who knows what its fate will be, we can only wait and see…

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牛 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
作者: 125.75.93.* 2007-6-19 22:38   回复此发言

IP: 125.75.93.*:
Awesome…………………….

哈哈,我昨天刚刚从嵊州来杭州,听出租车司机说已经拆掉了啊
作者: 125.120.165.* 2007-6-19 22:57   回复此发言

IP: 125.120.165.*:
Haha, I just came to Hangzhou from Shengzhou yesterday. I heard the taxi driver say it had already been torn down.

支持
民主不是嘴巴上说说的
作者: 125.127.148.* 2007-6-19 23:03   回复此发言

IP: 125.127.148.*:
I support it.
Democracy isn't just something you pay lip service to.

我们支持牛楼 反对市政府 公安部门这些贪官分子
作者: 60.187.165.* 2007-6-21 21:18   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.165.*:
We support the Awesome House
Oppose the city government
The Public Security Bureau, a bunch of corrupt officials

查查哪个豪华的市府大楼!
作者: 124.234.131.* 2007-6-22 11:13   回复此发言

IP: 124.234.131.*:
Find out which luxury government complex!

当天有一无辜围观的群众被当地的公安打死,多人被打伤。本人目睹了冲突的全过程。场面堪称混乱,凶残。嵊州市政府出动了全市所有警力,还从外地调了武警对围观在楼房旁的群众实施殴打。
作者: 60.187.165.* 2007-6-22 11:21   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.165.*:
An innocent bystander in the crowd was beaten to death that day, many people were beaten. I personally saw the course of the conflict. The scene was definitely chaotic. The Shengzhou city government called out all the police in the entire city, even bringing in People's Armed Police from out of town to start beating the crowds of spectators gathered around the building.

社会真的好黑暗啊。为什么上面的领导干部好的思想到了基层就不行了,变味了,中国的社会还是跑不了封建主义的官僚主义。我支持牛楼 反对市政府 公安部门这些贪官分子
作者: 125.127.115.* 2007-6-22 12:20   回复此发言

IP: 125.127.115.*:
Society is really too shady! Why do all the upper leaders’ good ideas stop working and go bad then they reach the ground? Chinese society still can't escape the bureaucracy of feudalism. I support the Awesome Building. And oppose the city government. The Public Security Bureau are all corrupt officials.

建议中央调查组进浙!
作者: 222.71.78.* 2007-6-22 15:23   回复此发言

IP: 222.71.78.*:
I propose the Central Government Investigative Committee come to Zhejiang!

嵊州市关门吧~~~~~一群贪污分子~~你们自己说,土地征用贪了多少钱~~
作者: 211.140.143.* 2007-6-22 16:22   回复此发言

IP: 211.140.143.*:
Shengzhou city government ought to be shut down………..a bunch of corrupt elements……you all tell me, how much are bribes to get land confiscated..?

钉主户的四个儿子,不按法办事,目无国法.过去强行造楼,现在又对抗政府数年不拆楼.以汔油弹炸执法人员,有组织有网络地组织人们围攻执法人员,推翻警车,用小技造假搞死人场面,真是看不过去.
嵊州市的一位老人说句话.
作者: 60.187.162.* 2007-6-22 16:48   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.162.*:
The nail-owner has four children. Not handling this in according with the law, disregard for national law. They once forced this building's construction, not they want a facedown with the government over a building that should have been torn down years ago. Even blasting law enforcement officers with paint bombs, grouping up to use the internet to organize people to come mob law enforcement officers, flipping over police cars, using this dinky website to fabricate people's deaths, it's really too much to bear watching.
A Shengzhou city senior has spoken.

支持牛楼,反对政府。因为我们市长太笨了,要是我直接炸了,后果不管了,先把这个问题搞定,后面的后面再说,呵呵
作者: 220.189.231.* 2007-6-22 17:33   回复此发言

IP: 220.189.231.*:
I support Awesome Building, oppose the government. Our mayor is too stupid, I ought to blast him myself; I don't care about the consequences. Fix this problem first and worry about the rest later, hehe.

钉主户的四个儿子,不按法办事,目无国法.过去强行造楼,现在又对抗政府数年不拆楼.以汔油弹炸执法人员,有组织有网络地组织人们围攻执法人员,推翻警车,用小技造假搞死人场面,真是看不过去.
嵊州市的一位老人说句话.
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这位我知道,是频频出现各大报纸上面的”一位退休老工人”
这老家伙还没死哪?
作者: 203.81.17.* 2007-6-22 18:24   回复此发言

IP: 203.81.17.*:
“The nail-owner has four children. Not handling this in according with the law, disregard for national law. They once forced this building's construction, not they want a facedown with the government over a building that should have been torn down years ago. Even blasting law enforcement officers with paint bombs, grouping to use the internet to organize people to come mob law enforcement officers, flipping over police cars, using this dinky website to fabricate people's deaths, it's really too much to bear watching. A Shengzhou city senior has spoken.” –I know who this is, it's “a retired old worker” who always shows up in every major paper. This old guy still isn't dead?

共产党没有一个是好东西,
作者: 218.0.96.* 2007-6-22 19:25   回复此发言

IP: 218.0.96.*:
There's not a single Communist Party that's a good thing.

有人打死了??~~真的假啊~~
作者: may的day 2007-6-22 19:33   回复此发言

may's day:
Someone was beaten to death? For real?

回复:[转贴]中国最牛的楼还数浙江嵊州
哈哈,我昨天刚刚从嵊州来杭州,听出租车司机说已经拆掉了啊
乱说!!今天还没拆呢!
作者: may的day 2007-6-22 19:34   回复此发言

may's day:
“Haha, I just came to Hangzhou from Shengzhou yesterday. I heard the taxi driver say it had already been torn down.” –Nonsense! It still hadn't been torn down today!

我也看到了.不过有的真有的假
作者: 60.187.161.* 2007-6-22 19:38   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.161.*
I saw it too. But some of what's here is true, some of it is false.

哪有什么人打死,他现在好着呢
作者: 220.191.227.* 2007-6-22 20:21   回复此发言

IP: 220.191.227.*:
Yeah whatever someone got killed. Is the guy okay now?

这位老太据说才八十多,平时都住在敬老院的,儿子们也并不很孝顺,现在为了谋取一己之私,居然把老娘亲拿来作挡箭牌,于心何忍,居心何在!!
作者: 220.191.227.* 2007-6-22 20:24   回复此发言

IP: 220.191.227.*
They say that old lady is over eighty years old, normally just stays in a senior's facility. And her sons aren't very filial, now they're just using her for their personal gain, actually bringing old mum out to act as a shield. Don't they have hearts? What are they thinking!

共产党没有一个是好东西,
作者: 218.0.96.* 2007-6-22 19:25   回复此发言
没有共产党就没有新中国,又哪来我们今天幸福安定的生活呢?安分守己的人是不会希望天下大乱的。
作者: 220.191.227.* 2007-6-22 20:28   回复此发言

IP: 220.191.227.*:
“There's not a single Communist Party that's a good thing.” –Without the Communist Party there wouldn't be a New China. Where else do you think the happy, stable lives we have today came from? Law-abiding citizens wouldn't want to see chaos under heaven.

坚决支持合法拆迁,不拆迁就不会有生活环境的改善,不会有生活的进步,更不会有建设的日新月异。再说了,假如当年没有拆迁,这旁边没有文化广场,没有其他拆迁户的积极配合,他这房子能这么显山露水,房价也不可能有这么高,更不能以日益增长的房价来估量现在他这房子的价格;再说了,如果所有的人都像他这样,那城市建设还要不要搞,难道其他拆迁的人都是傻瓜不成!拆迁固然要合法,要关注百姓们的利益,但也绝不能让此成为某些人的幌子,如果不合理合法,其他拆迁户又怎么会拆呢?
作者: 220.191.227.* 2007-6-22 20:36   回复此发言

IP: 220.191.227.*:
I firmly support the legal demolition and eviction. To not go ahead with it would mean no improvement of our living environment, no improvement of life and, especially, no constant new development. Again, back in the day if things hadn't been torn down and people relocated, there would be no Culture Square, and no other relocatees at the time would have actively cooperated. This house of their's now is just dew on a wet mountain; the price of the house can't be that high, and the price of this house of his definitely can't be estimated based on the standard, rising daily, [market] price of houses. Again, if everyone acted like him, would there still be any construction left happening in the city? Or were all the other evictees too stupid? Demolitions and relocations of course need to be done in accordance with the law, in consideration of the public's interest, but it absolutely cannot be allowed to become some people's camouflage. If it hadn't been done reasonably and by the law, why did the other evictees agree?

如果不合理合法,其他拆迁户又怎么会拆呢?
作者: 220.191.227.* 2007-6-22 20:36   回复此发言
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也许那就是中国人的奴性啊~~~
作者: may的day 2007-6-22 21:49   回复此发言

may's day:
“If it hadn't been done reasonably and by the law, why did the other evictees agree?” –maybe it's just that Chinese people are servile.

可怜的老娘,被不孝子当作生财的工具,从敬老院接回也有1年多了吧
作者: 60.187.216.* 2007-6-22 21:59   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.216.*:
The poor old mum, being used as a profitable tool by her unfilial son, kept out of the senior's home for a year already

市人大的人都吃干屎去了!
作者: 218.74.45.* 2007-6-22 22:02   回复此发言

IP: 218.74.45.*:
The city's NPC delegates are all off eating dried shit!

从下午开始,防暴警察全副武装想冲上这个牛楼.但都被牛楼的主人们用汽油弹一次一次打退.
好厉害哦????
作者: 60.187.221.* 2007-6-22 22:04   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.221.*:
“Starting yesterday afternoon, fully-armed riot police were ready to charge into the building but one-by-one were driven off by paint bombs used by the owners.” –a little fierce, no?

没错,那地段至少值5000块钱,居然只肯给2500每平米。禽兽啊。我有春节时实拍的照片
作者: 221.225.159.* 2007-6-22 22:05   回复此发言

221.225.159.*:
That's right, that piece of land is at least worth 5,000 yuan/square meter, but they're actually only willing to give 2,500/m. The beasts! I have some photos I took in the spring.

如果不合理合法,其他拆迁户又怎么会拆呢?
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估计楼上的是枪手啊~哈哈~~~
作者: may的day 2007-6-22 22:32   回复此发言

may's day:
“If it hadn't been done reasonably and by the law, why did the other evictees agree?” –I bet this guy's a gunman…haha….

51楼,你是一条好狗。
作者: 125.119.186.* 2007-6-22 22:48   回复此发言

IP: 125.119.186.*:
220.191.227.*, you're one good little dog.

我只是觉得.,中国的房价TNND是不是涨的快了点啊,2500么差不多了.5000哪个买的起,房产公司买就要5000 ,卖到我们手里不就上 6.7000了呢.工资呢.我们这边工资才多少.2000一个月啊.要还多少年啊?要5000,还让不让人活了啊!!!!!!!!
作者: 60.187.231.* 2007-6-22 22:54   回复此发言

60.187.231.*:
I just think, aren't China's housing prices rising a little too fricking quickly? RMB 2,500/meter is about right. 5,000/meter, who can afford that? If realty companies buy it at 5,000, they'll sell it to us at 6000 or 7000/meter. Wages? How much do we get paid? RMB 2,000 a month! How many years is that? 5,000 a month, how could we live?????

房主不厚道,有一次看到一些人在牛楼边谈论此事,其中当有人表示牛楼主人做法不妥时,旁边立即有人气势凶凶地威胁起他来,让他不敢再说话了.这才明白牛楼边老是有楼主安排的人在造舆论.
作者: 60.187.209.* 2007-6-22 23:27   回复此发言

60.187.209.*:
The owner's not lenient enough. One time I saw some people at Awesome Building talking about this. When one of them said that the owner's actions were inappropriate, immediately people appeared and started threatening him, leaving him afraid to keep talking. Then I understood that the Awesome Building owners always arrange for people to be fabricating public opinion.

生为嵊州人 哎…..我感到….!!! 高兴
作者: 218.75.114.* 2007-6-22 23:38   回复此发言

IP: 218.75.114.*:
As a Shengzhou native, aye….I feel….pleased!!!

官逼民反,危矣!
作者: 218.59.224.* 2007-6-23 08:45   回复此发言

IP: 218.59.224.*:
Officials always force the people to fight back, so dangerous!

我市依法查处一名网上虚构事实扰乱公共秩序的违法人员
文章提交者:与人为善【江南论坛】 http://www.jnbbs.cn
2007年6月18日我市发生一起因拆迁引起的群体性事件,违法嫌疑人黄某(男,32岁,通源乡岗下村人)在互联网上收集现场照片并自己撰写了一些”浙江嵊州因政府强制拆迁导致群众冲击政府大楼,现在已经有一群众在冲突中身亡,多人受伤,政府部门暴力执法,警察手持警棍殴打无辜百姓”等信息的帖子发至凤凰论坛、绍兴E网论坛等互交式网站中,经核实此次事件中并无人员死亡,属于虚假信息。此信息造成了严重的社会影响,扰乱了正常的社会秩序。根据《中华人民共和国治安管理处罚法》的相关规定,公安机关对此人已采取治安拘留处罚。

文字狱也随即上演了
作者: 125.121.1.* 2007-6-23 09:03   回复此发言

IP: 125.121.1.*:
“Our city was legally able to search out one criminal responsible for inventing truths online and disturbing public order
Document submitted by: ‘Friendly For And With The People’, Jiangnan BBS, http://www.jnbbs.cn
On June 18, a mass incident instigated by a ‘demolition-eviction’ took place in our city. The criminal suspect Mr. Huang (Male, 32 years old, from Tongyuan County, Gangxia Village) collected photos from the scene and placed them on the internet, writing: “In Shengzhou, Zhejiang, the government's forced demolition and eviction [of a building] gave rise to a mass clash at the government tower. Many people have already died in the conflict at present, many more are hurt and government departments are using violence to enforce the law. Police are carrying batons and violently beating innocent civilians” such information in a post published on the Phoenix Forum, the Shaoxing eNet Forum and other interactive internet sites. Following verification, no people were hurt during this incident, it's a matter of false information. This information has had serious social impact, disturbing the normal social order. According to the related provisions in “Public Order and Punishment Law of the People's Republic of China”, the police department has already taken measures to restore order and arrest and punish those responsible.”
—literary persecution comes at any time…

房主不厚道,有一次看到一些人在牛楼边谈论此事,其中当有人表示牛楼主人做法不妥时,旁边立即有人气势凶凶地威胁起他来,让他不敢再说话了.这才明白牛楼边老是有楼主安排的人在造舆论.
作者: 60.187.209.* 2007-6-22 23:27   回复此发言
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你在给政府造舆论吧,在威胁我们网民吧.你这个狗东西.
作者: 125.113.150.* 2007-6-23 09:28   回复此发言

IP: 125.113.150.*:
“The owner's not lenient enough. One time I saw some people at Awesome Building talking about this. When one of them said that the owner's actions were inappropriate, immediately people appeared and started threatening him, leaving him afraid to keep talking. Then I understood that the Awesome House owners always arrange for people to be fabricating public opinion.”
—You're just fabricating public opinion for the government, threatening us netizens. You're just a low-down dog.

不是文字狱,没人死,也没那么多人受伤,要说受伤,估计警察受伤的人最多.要说损失,估计警察的损失最大,那他们就不是人了?百姓是人,警察就不是人?警察就活该让人乱扔砖头???警察就活该让人打死?虽然说警察没制造好隔离带,让那些浑水摸鱼的人混进来制造混乱,但是个人,就不可能被人乱扔石头打伤了还平平静静的维持治安,那谁还肯做警察?谁来给我们维持治安.需要用警察的社会就叫爹叫娘叫叔叔,不要用到的时候警察就是条狗???可怜的中国人啊,可怜的中国警察,可怜的半桶水资本主义人权思想,凡是要想周全,估计在这发言的人极大部分是想当公务员而当不了公务员的吧.要人权,去美国吧,乖乖交税才能获取你该有的人权
作者: 60.187.227.* 2007-6-23 11:59   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.227.*:
It's not literary persecution and nobody died. There's not even that many hurt. You wanna talk about hurt? I'll bet most of the people hurt are police. You want to talk about loss? I'll bet that the police have lost the most. Aren't they people too? Civilians are people but police aren't? Police should have bricks thrown at them just because they're alive? Though the police didn't set up the barrier tape properly to stop those profiteering troublemakers from rolling in and creating chaos, people can't be expected to quietly go on maintaining the peace when people are madly throwing rocks and hurting them. Otherwise, who'd be willing to be a police officer? Who would come and maintain public order for us? When people need a policed society it's all ‘sir’, ‘ma'am’, ‘uncle’, but the minute that's not wanted, police are just dogs???? The poor Chinese people! The poor Chinese police! The poor half-filled bucket of capitalist and human rights ideology water! We always need to see the big picture. I'll bet that the vast majority of people posting here are just people who wanted to be civil servants but couldn't get in! You want human rights? Go to America. Be good and pay your taxes and then you'll get the human rights you deserve.

我在想..要是中国所有百姓所有官员所有公司一个都不逃税,会出现什么情况………交了税,百姓就有权利使用自己该有的权利,官还敢不敢贪污受贿???还敢不敢欺上瞒下???
作者: 60.187.227.* 2007-6-23 12:06   回复此发言

IP: 60.187.227.*:
I'm just thinking….if all the Chinese people, all the Chinese officials, all the Chinese companies didn't evade their taxes, what sort of situation would develop……..if we paid our taxes, the common people would have the right to make use of the rights we deserve. Would officials still dare to accept bribes then??? Would they still dare to lie to and steal from everyone below and above them?

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