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Armenia: Genocide Bill in France

Raffi K and readers of Life in Armenia discusses France's bill that would make denying the Armenian genocide in Turkey a crime

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  • […] 原文:Armenia: Genocide Bill in France作者:Nathan Hamm翻译:Portnoy […]

  • YURDATURK

    TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN :

    TODAY AFTER I FOUND OUT THAT THE NEWS BROADCASTED ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDED REALLY DISGUSTED ME. I COULDNT FIGURE IT OUT WHY THE FRENCH POLITICIANS WERE DEALING WITH ISSUES NOT CONCERNING THIER OWN COUNTRY.

    AS I SAID BEFORE THAT WE SHOULD LEAVE THE WORLD HISTORY TO THE HISTORIANS TO DISCOVER AND HOLD. IF YOU WERE TO BELIEVE THAT THE ARMENIAN GOVERNMENT WERE TO RECOGNIZE THE TURKISH COUNTRY AS PERFORMING THE ACTS OF A GENOCIDE; WHY DO YOU THINK THEY DIDNT RECOGNIZE IT IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY?

    WHY ARE THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT INVOLVING THEMSELVES WITH SOMETHING THAT MIGHT AS WELL NOT BE TRUE?

    IF THE FRENCH BELIEVE THAT LIBERALISM IS ONE OF THEIR MAIN WAYS OF LIFE IN ADDITION TO JUSTICE. THEN WHY HAVENT THEY SEEKED THE TRUTH ABOUT ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND RECOGNIZING THAT THE EVENT NEVER OCCURED AND THE GENOCIDE ONLY HAPPENED TO THE TURKISH PEOPLE WITH FACTS AND PROOF SHOWING THIS EVENTS OCCURED TO THEM. THE ONLY WAY I SEE THAT THIS ISSUE WOULD BE SOLVED IS THAT THE ARMENIAN GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH THEIR NATIONAL HISTORIANS PROVIDE EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT THESE ALLIGATIONS OCCURED. IN RETURN THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH THEIR PROOF AND HISTORIANS ALL SIT AND RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.

    THE ARMENIAN GOVERNMENT KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE FRENCH TO BACK THEM UP IN ANY EVENT THAT THEY NEED THEM. THEREFORE THEY CHOOSE TO RATHER HIDE FROM THE TRUTH THAN RESOLVE AND PUT AWAY THIS ISSUE ONCE FOR ALL.

    THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT HAVING THERE INVOLVEMENT IN THIS MATTER DOES NOT EVEN PERTAIN THEM.
    IS THIS A COVER UP FOR THEIR OWN GUILT? I SEE THE FRENCH AS BEING A COUNTRY OF FOOLS AND CAN BE BOUGHT OUT BY ANYONE. THIS ISSUE IS NOT EVEN A PROBLEM PERTAING TO THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE. THIS PROBLEM SHOULD ONLY BE RESOLVED BETWEENT THE TURKS AND ARMENIAN PEOPLES LIKE BROTHERS/ RELATED TO EACH OTHERS OR LIKE JUST GOOD ALL NEIGHBOURS LIKE SHOULD.

    LIKE I SAID BEFORE FRENCH PEOPLES TO MIND YOUR OWN PROBLEMS OF GENOCIDES AND SHOULD GIVE THE NECESSARY REPARATIONS TO THE PEOPLE YOU AND YOUR FORE-FATHERS BUTHCERED.
    THAT IS YOUR HISTORY AND WHOLE WORLD KNOW IS THE TRUTH !!!!
    YOU CANNOT HIDE. YOU ARE NEXT IN LINE ABOUT THIS GENOCIDES OF THE WORLD.

    LETS FIND OUT THE FACT AND PROOFS PEOPLE !!! WHO WERE THE GOOD GUYS AND WHO WERE THE BAD GUYS. NOW WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS AND WHO ARE THE BAD GUYS? LETS FIND OUT REALLY AND TRUELY FOR GOD’S SAKE.

    LETS GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THESE PROBLEMS. FIND OUT “THE TRUTH.”

    AS MY ANCESTORS SAID BEFORE;

    “PEACE AT HOME AND PEACE IN THE WORLD. Mustafa Kemal ATATURK”

    SO WE AS TURK OF THE WORLD LIKE BEFORE WHEN WE GOVERN THE WORLD WE ALL WANTED PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND….LOOK WHAT HAPPENED AFTER WE LEFT IN PALESTINE AND ISRAEL ??? WHO GORVERN THE WORLD WITH SWORD OR WITH PEACE? WHO MADE THE EUROPE WESTERNIZED AND CIVILIZED BY GIVEN THEM KNOWLEDGE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. TURKS. YES TURKS.SO LET THE HISTORIANS NOT POLITICIANS TO DEAL WITH THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE SO CALLED ARMANIANS GENOCIDE TO TURKS AND VISE VERSA.

    THANK YOU VERY KINDLY FOR TAKING TIME TO READ THIS. IT MEANS ALOT TO ME AND PLEASE PASS IT ON. WORD IS OUT NOW ON…WE ALL HAVE RIGHT TO KNOW “THE TRUTH” FOR THE GOODNESS SAKE AND FOR THE PEACE AND HARMONY OF THE MANKIND.
    WE NEED THE FACE THE MUSIC ABOUT THIS WORLD’S BAD COUNTRIES AND IT’S BAD PEOPLES AND THEIR MAD MENS LEADERS AND THEIR GENOCIDES TO US GOOD PEOPLES OF THE WORLD.
    WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THEM? DO YOU KNOW? WE SHOULD SENT OUR GROUP OF HISTORIANS TO THE THE UNITED NATIONS TO MEET ABOUT IT AND WE WE THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD FIND OUT THE REAL TRUTH BY DOING THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THEY NEED TO GATHER ALL THE FACTS AND MEET THERE TO DEAL WITH IT.
    NOW !!!!
    LETS STOP WARS NOW !!!!

    THIS INSANITY MUST BE STOPPED BY THE GOOD COUNTRIES AND GOOD PEOPLES OF THE WORLD NOW !!!
    WHAT WE HAVE IS THE GOD’S BLESSED FREE AND BEAUTIFUL WORLD BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING NOTHING BUT DISTROYING IT. THIS MADNESS GOT TO STOP MY FRIENDS DONT YOU THINK? WE CAN LIVE ALOT BETTER LIVES IF WE ALL LOVE ONE ANOTHERS AND STOP KILLING ONE ANOTHERS AND CO-OPARETE WITH EACH OTHERS BY JUST BEING GOOD TO EACH OTHERS. WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF GOD DON’T WE ALL KNOW THAT?

    WHO HAS PROBLEM WITH THAT ? IF WE THE PEOPLE WE WHAT PEACE.

    SO LET’S ALL OF US FROM THIS MOMENT AND ON FOLLOW OUR HEARTS AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS EVERYWHERE. LETS ALL LIVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY IN THIS WORLD. HAVENT WE LEARNED OUR LESSONS YET??? LETS HELP ONE ANOTHERS AND MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, HEALTY AND LIVE OUR LIVES FOR ALL MIGHTY GOD AND GIVE THANKS TO HIM ALONE FROM NOW ON.

    WE ALL NEED HELP EACH OTHERS TO FIND AND STOP PEOPLES WHO ARE FOLLOWING SATAN AND EVILDOERS FOOTSTEPS.
    WE HAVE TO DO THIS FOR WHOLE HUMANITY AND FOR GOD’S SAKE.
    “G13” FREEMASON-ILLUMINATI IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THESE MADDNESS AND INSANITY DON’T YOU ALL SEE IT? IF WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FREE WORLD SO WE ARE IN MAJORITY AND WE ARE GOOD WE CAN OVERCOME OF THESE PROBLEMS BY GETTING RID OF EVIL AND EVILDOERS AMONG US. WE ALL WILL BE BLESSED EVERY MOMENTS OF OUR LIVES IF WE DO THIS.

    LIKE HEAVEN ON EARTH ONCE AGAIN. SHALL WE PLEASE??? LET’S JUST DO IT !!!

    DONT YOU KNOW SATAN AND EVILDOERS ARE ALWAYS CHALLANGING GOD.
    PERSONS WHO SOLD HIS/HER SOUL TO SATAN WILL GAIN ALL THESE;
    WEALTH,
    CELEBRITY STATUS
    AND
    SEXUAL FAVOURS.
    BUT THEY DONT KNOW THAT;
    SOME DAY THEY ALSO WILL DIE AND LEAVE THIS WORLD. LETS SEE IF THE DEVIL AND ALL EVILDOER BROTHERS AND SISTERS IF THEY CAN HELP THEM WHEN THEY GET RESURECTED AND JUDGED BY GOD? WE SHALL ALL SEE.

    SO MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE FREE WORLD;

    ISLAM MEANS PEACE.

    FIND OUT “THE THRUTH” ABOUT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS AND WHAT IS THE REAL PORPOSE OF OUR LIVES ? WHY ARE WE HERE ? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO EACH OTHERS? BY JUST GOING AND FINDING OUT IN YOUR OWN LANGUAGE YOU SHALL LEARN “THE TRUTH”

    NOT KNOWING IS NOT A SHAME NOT LEARNING IS A SHAME.

    SO DONT WASTE ANY MORE TIME AND VISIT http://WWW.HARUNYAHYA.COM THIS SITE. YOU SHALL FIND “THE TRUTH.” SO HELP YOU AND HELP US ALL GOD.

    FOLLOW YOUR HEART MY GOOD PEOPLE OF THE WORLD FOLLOW YOUR HEART. LISTEN TO YOUR INNER VOICE GOD IS THERE TO HELP AND GUIDE YOU. GOD IS IN YOU DIDNT YOU KNOW? GOD IS EVERYWHERE DIDNT YOU KNOW? HE IS ALL KNOW AND SEEING DIDNT YOU KNOW? YOU SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND OUT.

    LOOK IN ALL THE HOLY BOOKS AND LOOK INTO THE WHOLE WIDE WORLDS TRUE HISTORIES. LIKE PARISHED NATIONS WAY BEFORE US WHO WERE THEY? SEEK AND FIND OUT”THE TRUTH.” WHAT GOD WANT FROM US? FIND OUT? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HIM FIND OUT?
    LETS ALL FIND OUT WHO IS DOING WHAT? AND WHY? AND TO PLEASE WHOM? IS IT FOR GOD’S SAKE OR SATAN’S ? WHY MANKIND BUILT ALTARS EVERYWHERE ALMOST IN MOST PARTS OF THE WORLDS DID THIS MADDNESS AND INSANITY, ALL KILLINGS WAS IT FOR GOD SAKE OR TO PLEASE SATAN, SATANIC WORSHIPPINGS FIND OUT?
    FIND OUT “THE TRUTH”
    AS ALWAYS I LOVE YOU ALL AND BELIEVE IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FROM THIS MOMENT AND ON.
    YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THINGS, GOOD THINGS IN YOUR LIVES.
    GOOD STARTS WITH YOU AND SPREAD IT TO WHOLE WIDE WORLD FREELY,LIKE KNOWLEDGE AND GOODNESSS FOR ALL MANKIND. BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE AND WORSHIP TO ONLY WHO IS YOUR CREATOR; LORD, GOD, JAHOVA, ALLAH THEY ALL SAME BELEIVE ME THEY ALL SAME GOD. “THE ALMIGHTY” BELIVE IN HIM ONLY. PLEASE NOT SATAN.
    DO THE RIGHT THING.

    SINCERELY AND RESPECTFULLY YOURS,

    Yurdakul CEKER “YURDATURK”

    “NE MUTLU TURKUM VE DIYENE.” YURDATURK.

    YURDAKULCEKER@YAHOO.COM CEKER@MSN.COM

    PS. HEY FRENCH PEOPLE BY THE WAY BEFORE I FORGET? WHY DONT YOU ASK YOURSELVES THIS? “WHO BAILED OUT THE FRENCH KING FROM BEING IMPRISONED.. THE FACT IS THAT “KANUNI SULTAN SULEYMAN” YOU AND THE WHOLE WORLD CALLED HIM AS SULEYMAN THE MAGNIFICANT OF THE TURKS” LOOK IT UP AND YOU’LL FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TURKS AND THEIR COMPASSION FOR OTHERS.
    IF IT WASNT FOR THE TURKS COMPASSION, THERE WOULDNT BE A FRENCH COUNTRY AND PEOPLE AS WE SPEAK DID YOU KNOW?

    PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY FACTS AND PROOFS OF MY TURKISH HISTORY WITH YOURS. BUT STILL AS I SAID BEFORE AGAIN AND AGAIN LETS WORLD HISTORIANS TO DEAL WITH IT. IT’S THEIR JOB!!! THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND DON’T NEED ANY POLITICIANS OR OTHERS HELP. LIKE DOCTORS OR LAWYERS OR REALTORS TO SOLVE THE WORLD HISTORY? DO THEY?
    I AM SORRY ABOUT SHOUTTING OUT TO YA’LL I BELEIVE WAS FOR WHOLE WORLD AND FOR OUR OWN GOOD. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

  • Erkan contemplates on French products to boycott and another round up…….

    Andrew Borowiec in THE WASHINGTON TIMES correctly says “Despite threats of retaliatory action and national anger, Turkey appears to be stepping back from a prolonged clash with France over a French parliamentary bill on the 90-year-old Armenian massac…

  • […] Raffi K and readers of Life in Armenia discusses France s bill that would make denying the Armenian genocide in Turkey a crime. – more – […]

  • […] 原文:Armenia: Genocide Bill in France 作者:Nathan Hamm 翻譯:Portnoy […]

  • Guy Mikaski

    Oh my Gawd!

    Who is this deranged and confused “Yurdakul CEKER “YURDATURK””???

    Dude, get a spell checker at the very least. And stop typing IN ALL CAPS it means that you are shouting.

    Is your statement of “I SEE THE FRENCH AS BEING A COUNTRY OF FOOLS AND CAN BE BOUGHT OUT BY ANYONE.” even remotely compatible with your other contradictory “I LOVE YOU ALL AND BELIEVE IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FROM THIS MOMENT AND ON” and “SO LET’S ALL OF US FROM THIS MOMENT AND ON FOLLOW OUR HEARTS AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS EVERYWHERE. LETS ALL LIVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY IN THIS WORLD” comments?

    You promote Islam as a religion of peace. But yet you insult a whole nation of Frenchmen in the same SHOUTING diatribe of yours?

    Sorry there guy, but you sound like you have some serious mental instabilities along with a very poor education.

    How about leaving intelligent discussions to those with capable minds?

    Please seek help!

    Guy Mikaski
    Philadelphia PA

  • Sam

    Wow the “CAPS” guy amazes me. I wonder, did he even read a book or an article about his country’s ottoman past? Do you know any nation in history that was happy under occupation of any empire? Why should european and middle eastern countries be happy with ottoman occupation?

    Christian population in ottoman empire was subject of double or triple taxation. They were some type of subhumans for the muslims. Their cases were lost in ottoman courts because christian witnesses were considered “unreliable”. When the christian was killed by muslim the court sentence was light for him or he was mercyed by court but in vice versa cases the christian was punished mercylessly.

    What was so exciting in ottoman past? The hyenous massacre of 1.5 Christian Armenians and the massacre of other christians (Greeks, Assyrians)?

    The current republic of Turkey condemns France because of freedom of speech violation but it is still denying the genocide and prohibits anyone to speak about it by law! If people continue to publish or speak about that then the ultra nationalists of Turkey kill them. This was the case of Hrant Dink.

    The justice must prevail. You can’t constantly hide or run away from genocide. You must stay and face it as Germans did.

  • Hakop

    YURDATURK, my friend

    There is a big difference in killing soldiers in a war and killing women, children, and the elderly of a population you are charged with protecting. Any nation, state, group or individual who denies what happened to the Armenians as genocide is guilty of the same horrendous crime and at one time or another whether you call him Allah or God, these people or nations or groups will be punished. I would suggest you venture outside of Turkish state sponsored history and read the real thing in the rest of the world.

    Good luck in your hunt for your true self.

  • H.T

    Hey Turk,
    The Armenian Genocide is an undeniable fact. Just ask the International Association of Genocide Scholars. Instead of asking to look at peoples hearts look at your hands and see the blood stain of Armenian Men Women and Children. Maybe read a history book not written by your genocide perpetrators. The world isn’t ignorant of this fact including France and 20 plus other countries that officially recognize THE TRUTH. It is only a matter of time before the rest of the world does.
    A decendant of the Armenian Genocide!

  • yaramoglu

    Best Answer – Chosen by Asker

    Unfortunately, as Turkish people, we can not offend the motherland. Turkish people are good people. We have a rotten history of changing truth. If laws would allow freedom of speech we can read and write freely. We will go to jail because if we say something that insults are country we can go to jail.

    Ataturk made many great changes in our land but he covered up many other things as well. One of them being the topic of your question.

    Imagine you grow up all your life and know Turkish friends and family in this day and age and someone tells you that our people comitted mass murder (genocide)! What a shock to the system. You will run down the street and ask your father and grandfather, “what did you do”. Why would he want to admit it to you. Like Ataturk, our grandfather and fathers washed their hands clean of the blood as Ataturk gave them to chance to start all over again. We did not have to worry about that, it was taken care of and done with. Now we will rewrite what we need. Ataturk said to take what you need from history. That is what he did. School books do not talk about genocide.

    To this day the word Armenian is considered to be Back Stabber in Turkey. One paragraph in books said this for decades as to the Armenians of 1915. Nothing more or less. To call someone Armenian in Turkey is worse then calling someone a dog to this day.

    Can you see that is what you are dealing with. We just got hit with a big stick in the stomach. How can we believe this is true.

    Logically I have to look at many other things in the world.
    I believe the reality is that to be patriotic and believe the genocide took place is easy but the society that Turkish people live in does not allow it. There are too many laws.
    Imagine this…the journalist and intellectuals of Turkey always say “the supposed genocide” when dealing with this issue. Why? Because if they said it any other way they will go to jail or get hunt down by the Grey Wolves. When the media in Turkey is breathing this atmosphere created laws that allow them not to speak freely what will happen to the masses. Couple all this with what I said earlier about Ataturk changing how life in Turkey was changed by him then you got a boiling pot of not NON BELIEVERS but Masses that just do not know.

    To answer your question, the laws of the land must change as far as freedom of speech AND freedom of thought. At that point we can become patriotic. For Turkish people to be true Turkish patriots, we must be able to speak freely AND think freely. We can not think if we have someone, big brother (government laws, extremist), breathing down your back saying “if you write this you will be killed”. So, it is a problem in society that has been created.

    Turkis people can not be patriotic and say these things you say. If the laws change in our country, it is the duty of Turkish people to do so and be patriotic. It is the duty to question our fathers and their fathers acts. It is the duty and right of all Turks to freely think for once and for all. It would then be UNpatriotic to do otherwise.

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