Cross-Border Conversation on Race

stampsThe 1940's creation of famed Mexican writer, Yolanda Vargas Dulché and comic book illustrator, Alberto Cabrera, Memín Pinguín was an unlikely candidate at the time to spark a 21st century international debate on racism in Mexico and the United States. But when the Mexican post office decided to release a commemorative series of stamps honoring the comic character, the White House condemned the decision and spokesman Scott McClellan responded with the following:

“Racial stereotypes are offensive, and I would say racial stereotypes are offensive no matter what their origin. The Mexican government needs to take this into account. Images such as these have no place in today's world.”

Eight days later and the blogosphere in both Mexico and the United States has become saturated with opinions about both the Mexican post office's decision to release the stamps as well as the U.S. government's reaction to the decision.

memin pinguin coverLatino blogger, ngrand78, writing from Tucson, Arizona, was one of the first to post about the issue explaining that he agrees “that Memin Pinguin has exaggerated features thick lips and wide-open eyes. But what people have to take in consideration is that the Mexican culture is different, I am not going to say that discrimination doesn't exist in Mexico, it's just based in other characteristics, social status and wealth being the most notable ones. The truth is that back there the color of the skin is not important and people pay little attention.” ngrand78 has generated a tremendous amount of comments and, like many bloggers writing on the subject, has updated his post to clarify his thoughts.

Mark in Mexico, writing from Puebla, concurs that culture is at play:

By our standards, it is blatatantly rascist. By Mexican standards it is not. Mexican society is a rascist society kind of like that of Japan. Intermarriage, even fraternization, between the mestizos and the indigenous peoples is frowned upon and is rare. Even more rare is intermariage or fraternization with blacks. By mestizos I mean the lighter complected Mexicans of mixed Spanish/Indian or European/Indian descent. In Mexico, the whiter your skin the better. Mexican mestizos see nothing wrong with this and do not consider it rascist at all.

His post has a thorough collection of Memín Pinguín images and links to other blogs discussing the controversy.

Mexican-American blogger, Gustavo Rojo however disagrees:

My problem with the Memin Penguin stamp controversy is that in Mexico it should be a controversy but it is not. Just because Mexico didn’t have a “slavery issue” doesn’t mean that racism hasn’t been a problem. Race has always been a problem in Mexico from its inception.

After reading a post by Blex though, Gustavo updates his own and asks, “Is it so wrong to make fun of one another. It’s not like the mission behind this comic is to spread hate or some other propaganda. It is genuinely good-hearted.”

Michelle's Pink Place seems to disagree. Linking to two posts explaining the cultural differences regarding race in Mexico and the U.S., she points out:

Yes, people perceive race differetly in different countries. I can't speak for how black Mexicans would feel. How about the revolutionary idea that, for those of us here in the US, the stamps represent a racist or racially-charged image, not because anyone says they are wrong, but just because they are?

memin pinguinGrammar.police makes the point that, “it doesn't necessarily follow that Mexico should share this collective shame related to blackface comedy. When complex cultural symbols are imported from one society to another their component antecedents are often lost in translation. (Think of, say, the Christmas tree.) I don't know when blackface comedy arrived in Mexico or how the symbol operates there, honestly, but I imagine it has been stripped it of its original context, which wouldn't have had much meaning for a nation that has a very marginal and localized population of people of African descent and never experienced the tragedies of African American history.”

Negrophile (from whom I stole the title of this post) links to a San Francisco Chronicle article by history professor, Myrna Santiago who, not surprisingly, says the controversy stems from a difference in history between the two nations.

Like Planeta Grenada, Lost Budgie also puts the discussion into a historical frame, but says this time, “Fred and Mexico have it wrong.” DJ Bloodsock agrees:

Now, I’ll grant you that Mexico does not have the same concept of race as we have in the States, arguably due to a significantly different history of race relations. But still, it is naive at best to think that people who identify themselves as Black (or African-American; pick your label) would not be offended by a gross caricature that is more simian than sapien.

memin pinguinLatina Lista says that although American prejudices continue, “it is obvious Mexico is at the stage where America was over 100 years ago when people thought there was nothing wrong in keeping other people as property or selling them like cattle, regardless if they were separating mothers from their children.” And Moonbat Central questions if Reverand Jesse “Jackson is guilty of ‘American cultural imperialism'???”

Webadedios, writing from Mexico, on the other hand, says you can sum it all up to “Gringo paranoia” [es] and that Memin Pinguin is not about race, but rather making people laugh. So agrees Isopixel who recommends that Americans should take a closer look at history [es]. Vidablog, also writing from Mexico, asks [es] “who is the United States to ‘stick its spoon’ into the internal affairs of Mexico?”

The Shǐt’ē Place, written from Monterrey, Mexico says Americans and Mexicans interpret race differently and leaves a list of open-ended questions to “be answered in time.”

African-American blogger, Joy-Ann Reid agrees that a cultural relativist perspective needs to be taken. But she doesn't see the issue going away any time soon:

The bottom line is, the Mexican cartoon isn't seen as racist by Mexicans, and that type of depiction of Blacks is, I would say, fairly uncontroversial in Latin American entertainment. That doesn't sit well with African-Americans, and the Jesse Jacksons of the world may even be able to make enough noise to force the stamps back into the desk drawer, but the cultural issue won't go away so easily.

We'll probably be able to judge by the latest going eBay bid.

In the end, it is probably history professor Myrna Santiago who best sums up the debate:

Thus, rather than condemning Mexico for issuing Memín Pingüín stamps, the federal government and U.S. citizens would be better off encouraging a cross- border conversation about race in all its complexities. Such a conversation might then inspire youth on both sides of the border to ask the questions I never asked, not only about the history of people of African descent in Mexico, but also about the root causes of racism, discrimination and inequality in both nations. Surely, that is a concern people across both countries share — and the reason why we all care about Memín Pingüín.

Update: Venezuelan reader Iria Puyosa points us to Mexican blogger, Alberto Chimal's excellent post on Racismo [es] and writes:

The post provides details on the comic four masin
characters (a black poor kid, a neglected kid who is the best student
in the school, a rude kid whose mother works in a cabaret, and wealthy
kid who is sent to a public school to teach him about the real world).

Maybe, what is needed is to send U.S. officers and Mexican
Presindent also to a Mexican public school. They may learn about the
real world, then stop talking nonsense, and start working.

16 comments

  • Sergio J. Castro Becerra

    Chino Cochino! That’s just her interpretation of it. We use it because it rhymes, not because it has a racist connotation. It is used in the same way as ¿Me entiendes Méndez? or ¿Me explico Federico?, nel pastel, simón limón. It is used just to ease the language, to make it more friendy.

  • Karla Contreras

    People from the the USA would never understand they way Mexico thinks about race. A good example: I’ve asked by Mexican Americans if there is such a thing as a Hispanic Heritage MOnth in Mexico. People just don’t understand that the definition of race in Mexico tought in schools is, black (selfexplanatory), yellow (asian), and white. Under the white everybody that is not black or asian looking can qualify as it. Yes my felow americans a “brownie” in Mexico is considered to be white race.
    Mexico certainly can be accused of being Classist, and having neglected the Indigenous(same way as the US), but race is never been a topic of conversation, we are just Mexicans.

    If we are going to get in to the sterotypes. A debate about Speedy Gonzales, taco bell Chihuahua and all the stereotypes used in movies and TV about Mexico and Mexican workers.

  • I think that race in the US is not the same as in some latin American countries, Race was never a subject discussed as much as it is here back in Colombia.

  • American characters like Aunt Jemima have as exagerated looking as Memín and this auntie was created by Americans, then any “African American” protested. By other hand, day by day we see humilliating characterizatios on Mexican characters on different American movies and TV programs, if we get on than intolerance position then Mexican goverment should protest by that. I think all this problem is based on a deep ignorance by some American sectors to our Mexican culture and history. They don’t even have read the comic, they ignore the context at all, they ignore our African roots in Mexico and the relation of Afro orign with the rest of the population. Afro people here don’t feel ofended at all with Memin. Before talking and making a big scandal they would learn a little bit more about Mexico (that believe me, is richer than the real ofensive images we see on movies) and its cultural richness (and of course read Memin first too). Certainly in Mexico exists racism but it’s not related at all by the color of the skin and our culture alow us to get fun and some jokes about the most physical characteristics, we are not so serious about, we don’t see many things with that solemnity, we laugh at everything, (but we don’t offend) that’s our sense of humor, we laugh at the very death. So as we respect foreign cultures, we demand to be respected on ours. You don’t like the stamps, ok, you don’t buy it. We feel ofended when some Americans call us “brownies” and we do it not for the word by itself but because of all the humilliating and offensive charge that it contains.

  • imthemom

    My “white” American daughter has been living in Mazatlan. She has a friend who is tall, “white” with black curly hair. His family is from Mazatlan and he says his birth certificate lists him as “pure indigenous”. I know the Mexican census asks for language spoken but not race so racial statistics are hard to find. The exception was the 1921 census, which asked about 3 races: pure indigenous, mestizo, and blanco. I’ve been looking for info in the internet about Mexico, racial attitudes and the status of indians. What I have learned is that there is a color continum prejudice with the lighter skined people being favored over the darker skined people with the indians being discriminated against, marginalized, paid lower wages for the same work. Unlike the US, as far as I can tell, the indians did not have treaties with the Mexican government and were never considered sovereign nations and do not have reservations or government subsidies. I realize I am searching in English and there must be better information in Spanish from Mexican sources but most of the information is one or two sentences in tourist propaganda. I have also learned that Germans actually built the first port in Mazatlan. My daughter also says there are Mennonites in the area (who make great cheese) but are having many problems with this generation of teens. I can’t find anything about them on the internet either. Anybody out there know more than me and want to point me to the right search engine? Thanks.

  • eduardo_bandito

    mexican amerindians have subsidies and they right to ask for education in their language but not a separated legal system to that of the other mexicans only a reduction of third of the sentence en case of commiting a crime if they can prove they are amerindians. mennonite came to mexico in the 20’s and the PNR tried to forcefully assimilated until the early years of the 40’s when they were acknoledged as a pseudoamerindian group and yeah mexican mennonites defect really easy from the group I don’t know why either.

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